Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
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12/26/09 01:34 PM
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I was able to get a deal on a 500 stroker Motor from MP, I need a carb they say a 850cfm works best, Which one would you use? Its goin in a 1968 Satellite weighs 3800 with me in it. I have a 4500 stall or I can use a 2400 stall converter, its 509 lift 248 duration 9.1 compression, so anyway which 850 carb? Holley Proform BG?
1970 AAR CUDA
1970 Super Bee 383 Auto
1969 Super Bee 383 4Spd
1968 Satellite 500 Stroker
1986 Shelby GLHS
1970 Coronet 500 383 Auto
1996 Indy Pace Truck
1998 Dakota R/T 408 Stroker
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: 1AARCUDA]
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12/26/09 01:44 PM
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I was able to get a deal on a 500 stroker Motor from MP...
Save your carb $$$ and tear that thing down first to verify it was machined and assembled correctly. Some of those things turned out to be real POS, so my level of confidence w/ just bolting one in is basically zero.
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: 602heavy]
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I don't know who assembles the wedge crates, but I can tell you from experience with a Cummins built Hemi crate that Stevie Wonder, working in a barnyard, could do better work! Like Brad said, tear it dowm and check everything! That said, the Holley HP950 is one of the best performing, out of the box street carbs for these strokers. I have used several and been very pleased with the results.
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
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The heads are High Flow iron Stage V heads 2.14 intake 1.81 exhaust. Well has anyone ever actually had terrible luck with one of these crate motors, True experiences. Thanks for all the advice
1970 AAR CUDA
1970 Super Bee 383 Auto
1969 Super Bee 383 4Spd
1968 Satellite 500 Stroker
1986 Shelby GLHS
1970 Coronet 500 383 Auto
1996 Indy Pace Truck
1998 Dakota R/T 408 Stroker
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: 1AARCUDA]
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12/26/09 03:47 PM
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I recommend you tear it down also because MP has not sold that engine since at least 2004. So if it's advertised as "brand new"...that point is somewhat debatable. If it's an "engineering dyno mule" consider the use/abuse it might have seen and take that into account too. Either way Look for rust/moisture/storage damage/dry areas that shouldn't be, just because it's old and has probably been sitting.
Not only that but the warranty is based on time only, 90 days (not use) and is long expired...so yeah, go through it.
Carb wise MP always recommended an 850 vacuum, but if it were mine I'd want to try an 850 annular dp.
There are a couple 500 wedge cars floating around here, hopefully the owners will post some real experiences.
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: AndyF]
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12/26/09 04:09 PM
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You have a heavy car with low compression and a camshaft with a bunch of overlap.
Can't find the cam specs posted on this motor.
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: AndyF]
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12/26/09 04:19 PM
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Crate motors used the 509 hyd cam which is an okay cam if you know how to tune around it. It has a bunch of overlap though which makes it a pain when combined with low compression and a 1.560 carb. That was the standard "street racer" combo back in the 70's and a lot of those cars ran like poo.
If the guy knew how to clean up the idle circuit it would work okay but not a lot of people knew how to do that 30 years ago. (no billet metering blocks back then) The other crutch would be 4.88 rear gear and/or a bunch of initial advance.
Thanks
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
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Cam specs are 248 duration @ 0.50 509 lift I am going to bracket race the car with this motor, no or very little street. Oh and the gears are 3.91
1970 AAR CUDA
1970 Super Bee 383 Auto
1969 Super Bee 383 4Spd
1968 Satellite 500 Stroker
1986 Shelby GLHS
1970 Coronet 500 383 Auto
1996 Indy Pace Truck
1998 Dakota R/T 408 Stroker
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
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Cam specs are 248 duration @ 0.50 509 lift
What's the lobe sep? , only asking for refference as don't want another debate.
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
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This is what I was looking at:
Proform race series 850 DP
Description:
Finally an affordable high-performance race carburetor! PROFORM's new Race Series Carburetor is hand assembled in the U.S. utilizing the PROFORM High-Flow Carburetor Main Body, durable billet metering blocks, and a high performance billet throttle base plate.
The PROFORM Race Series Carb includes:
PROFORM Carburetor Main Body High-Flow Main Body!
Dyno-Proven Horsepower & Torque Gain!
Adjustable, Screw-In Air Bleeds!
High-Performance Down-Leg Boosters! (except 650 CFM)
Maximum Air Flow.
No Air Horn, Choke Tower, or Choke Control!
High-Rate Air-Flow Section Design!
PROFORM Billet Throttle Base Plates
Adjustable Secondary Air Flow Cam Bracket!
Solid Billet Construction!
Hand-assembled in the U.S.!
Timed & Full Vacuum Tubes for Accessories & Tuning!
Welded Throttle Shaft!
Button Torx Head Throttle Plate Screws!
Power Valve Blow Out Protection!
Slip Link Mechanical Secondary Linkage!
PROFORM Billet Metering Blocks Solid Billet Construction!
Durable, No Warping or Porosity Problems!
Changeable Idle Feed Restriction
1970 AAR CUDA
1970 Super Bee 383 Auto
1969 Super Bee 383 4Spd
1968 Satellite 500 Stroker
1986 Shelby GLHS
1970 Coronet 500 383 Auto
1996 Indy Pace Truck
1998 Dakota R/T 408 Stroker
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Re: Carb for 500 Mopar Performance stroker motor?
[Re: AndyF]
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12/26/09 05:53 PM
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Hello....the best choice for this application is the Holley 950HP in my opinion.... The 950 has the smaller 1.375 venturi that your gonna need to get this heavy car up and moving off the starting line....The Proform 850 & Proform 950 carbs both are larger on the venturi diameter at 1.400 & 1.450....and that is starting to hurt your bottom end responce as you go bigger then the 1.375.... whether you buy a Holley HP or have a custom carb built, you will be happy.... I attatched a link to our BIGS Stage 5 950 below....we have great pricing left over from the Holidays also.....Thanx allot, Jesse @ BIGS!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200421128946&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
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