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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Great thread guys, This one claims to be an Original A66 Chally, thought i'd post the linky, lots of pics on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Cha...5fCarsQ5fTrucksNot an SE, but note the dark argent tail panel, is that Correct?
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Sublime, Saw your post on the hemi fender ?. When I looked at the pictures today (with open eyes) I could see the fender and wheel well trim look very close to mine.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Sublime, Saw your post on the hemi fender ?. When I looked at the pictures today (with open eyes) I could see the fender and wheel well trim look very close to mine.
You are right, they look identical. Mine never had the trim. If I remember correctly the trim was deleted since they had to mod the fenders for the 15" wheels. Any indication if your fender trim was factory installed?
I don't have a broadcast sheet for mine, so I have to assume that with the early SPD, and the bent up fender lips, that odds are mine had the 15" wheels. These A66 cars are really interesting, lots of variation over time from the factory.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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If I remember correctly the trim was deleted since they had to mod the fenders for the 15" wheels.
Fenders were Not modified at the factory for 15" wheels. Lots of Challenger R/T's came with 15" wheels & wheel lip molding. Also, lots of people have traded out their 14" wheels for 15's, and no fender modifications are necesary.
Fender modifications are due to a tire size that was only available on a Hemi car from the factory. IF a car owner puts huge tires on the front of their car, they may need to modify the fender lip a little, but that would be owner modified, not factory modified. When I first got my own challenger, it had huge tires on aluminum 14" wheels and they Did hit the fender lip.
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I don't have a broadcast sheet for mine, so I have to assume that with the early SPD, and the bent up fender lips, that odds are mine had the 15" wheels.
Please compare your fenders to any other non-Hemi Challenger fender. You'll find that your fenders are not modified. SPD has nothing to do with wheel size. 14" & 15" wheels were available all year. The majority of Challengers came with 14" wheels.
(EDIT: I take back my comment about SPD vs. wheel size. My statements were true regarding Challengers as a whole, but when looking at a specific option package like the A66 cars, there can be some correlation between the two. Further explanation below in Dan's posts.)
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These A66 cars are really interesting, lots of variation over time from the factory.
Here, I Agree, and would love to hear more about your specific car. A Sublime A66 is a pretty cool car. I'm particularly fond of the Sublime color. What other options does it have? any stripes?
Tav
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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The A66 Challengers were a late addition to the 1970 model year Dodge line-up. *** I believe the E60-15 was also late to the 1970 party. (not as late as the A66 though) *** Early A66 cars had E60-15 Goodyear Polyglas GT tires that were included in the "package" price, but "rallye wheels" were a required OPTION at additional cost. Wheel lip mouldings were "DELETED" as part of the A66 "package". At some point the included (A66 "package") tire was changed to F70-14. IIRC - the need for "HEMI FENDER"s was due to F60-15 tires rubbing under heavy-braking on nose-heavy HEMI'Cudas & Challenger R/Ts. IIRC(2) - AAR & T/A "TRANS AM" cars were to have G60-15s on all four corners & would've needed modified fenders to clear the front tires. The G60s got the axe before production & we've been scratching our heads since.  So ...... late in testing (July '69) /early in production (August '69) fender rub problems are showing up on the F60-15 tired HEMI e-bodies. The brass is pissed  - Chrysler has to spend money & sub-contract Creative Industries to modify fenders. HEMI Challenger R/Ts  are loosing their wheel lip mouldings in the process. About the same time, Dodge product planners discover  Plymouth is offering their muscle e-body 'Cuda with the 340 engine. The new for '70 E60-15 Polyglas GT is on both the Dodge & Plymouth e-body OPTION list, but quantities are low & aren't available for early production. Dodge tries to one-up Plymouth & includes the E60-15 Polyglas GTs in the A66 - "340 package" Challenger, but they are aware of the wide 60 series tire "rub" issue & the A66 cars loose their wheel lip mouldings.  Are factory workers (or others) modifying A66 fenders in a manner similar to Creative, but just rolling the area in front of the lip brace? Was this just a LA "thing" since creative was 2500 miles away? Did the "brass" catch wind of this "procedure" & influence the change to F70-14 tires?
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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I don't believe early E60-15 tired e-bodies had the lower control arm rubber bumper spacer.
That IS interesting. I wonder why not. Was it on the later E60-15 e-bodies? I didn't think the spacer was introduced mid-year. What tires DID use the spacer? I haven't seen it on any 14" wheeled cars.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Early October '69 - Hamtramck, MI assembled A66 convertible with hood DECALS!
This "90%" original paint A66 auto convertible was at the '10 NAT'S.  (poor angle but no "V8")
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Dan did you get a chance to see the build sheet for this car or ask the owner about the wheel well trim it has ?
Sublime, if you have the original tranny for your car check the speedo gear in trans, and count the teeth, might help you determine tire size.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Sublime, if you have the original tranny for your car check the speedo gear in trans, and count the teeth, might help you determine tire size.
 That's another good suggestion.
Tav
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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Are factory workers (or others) modifying A66 fenders in a manner similar to Creative, but just rolling the area in front of the lip brace? Was this just a LA "thing" since creative was 2500 miles away? Did the "brass" catch wind of this "procedure" & influence the change to F70-14 tires?
I don't think any of these things happened. Here's what I think happened... Sublime70 notices that his fender lip has a small rolled section (about 3.5 inches long directly in front of the indent where the lip brace attaches), and having heard about "Hemi Fenders" with rolled lips, he wonders if that is what he has. He takes a picture and posts it on moparts trying to find out if he has hemi fenders.
Multiple comments are made about hemi fenders. A couple hemi fender pictures are posted, but due to some after the fact wheel well molding, you can't see the extent of the rolling on the hemi fender, which makes it a poor example for him. Someone says that they have an A66 with fenders just like his. As a result, he starts to think his fenders have been modified by the factory.
Actually though, his fenders are not modified. They are just like other non-Hemi Challenger fenders. The LA plant workers didn't modify them. All the Challenger fenders are rolled like that, Hamtramck and LA both.
I was in a similar situation once with my own Challenger. I noticed that my fender lips had both been rolled up there and that each side matched. I wanted to know if I had something special, or if I should bend them back down flat like my 'Cuda. I went to a mopar junk yard a few hours away and investigated the fender collection for a while. I must have looked at at least 20 challenger fenders from all years 70-74, (even found 1 T/A fender, which I thought was pretty cool), and all were rolled exactly the same. The Challenger fenders are just made that way. Challenger wheel lip molding has a notch to match the rolled area, again it comes that way. Anyone with a regular Challenger fender can compare their own fender to his photo and see that they are the same.
The Hemi Fenders are rolled much more extensivly. I think that a good picture of the rolled lip on a hemi fender (without lip molding) would help remedy the situation. I have some, but they are bitmaps, so moparts wouldn't let me post them earlier. Unfortunately I don't have access to photoshop to convert them to jpeg at the moment.
Here is his fender photo from the other thread. If I recall correctly, it's a Nov 6 1969 SPD LA plant car. The black repaint over the original sublime gives the photo nice contrast, so you can really see the area he's talking about.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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I don't believe early E60-15 tired e-bodies had the lower control arm rubber bumper spacer.
That IS interesting. I wonder why not. Was it on the later E60-15 e-bodies? I didn't think the spacer was introduced mid-year. What tires DID use the spacer? I haven't seen it on any 14" wheeled cars.
Tav
Here is the my 15" tire A66 SPD 9-28-69 lower control arm rubber shot. I also have a complete A66 Oct. built frontend, both are same as picture. Both are drum brake, .880 swaybar and .920 torsion bars
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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So SPD can help determine wheel size on A66 cars, but we don't yet know the date they changed from 15" to 14". I think the presence of the spacer between the lower control arm and the rubber bumper can also be used as a good indicator whether a car had 15" or 14" wheels.
10/20/69:
Effective immediately, F70x14-inch RWL tires (T87) are standard with the 340 Performance Package. The E60x15-inch tires (U82) will be optional at extra cost. The Collapsible Spare (W34) and Rallye Wheels will no longer be required with the 340 Package. Effective immediately, Performance Axle Packages A31 and A36 are available with the 340 Package.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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When did they begin production of the A66 cars? I am suprised that the 340 wasn't offered from the begining of the model year.
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Re: A66 Challengers what color grille-hood decal
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My A66 Challanger has a black grille. Don't know if it original or not for sure.
How many A66 owners cars are a JS23H0E (L.A. Cali) built cars? Mine is. Everyone I every see listed for sale or look at some where is always a JS23H0B (Hamtramck) built car.
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