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Mig Welders which one? #560300
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I'm currently shopping for a welder Mig and gasless
115/120 volt for body work and frame repairs/patching. I've narrowed it down to the hobart 140
century 140
lincoln 140

Any input good or bad would be greatly appreciated

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I just got a Hobart 140 mig for 476.10 shipped off e-bay (sgweldstore), it works great. came with a 3 yr. warr.

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75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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Although I'd recommend you use gas, you can buy a conversion kit, remember to reverse the polarity settings in a gasless machine when converting to gas use,....I highly recommend the Hobart as the transformer, wire drive, handle will be Miller items, easily repaired or replaced,although unlikley to fail, plus the wiredrive is far superior to the Lincoln wiredrive, which is a POS IMHO

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HTP 140 - and don't bother going gasless. You won't like the welds.


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Hey mods, I don't mind chiming in on these often repeated welder requests, but lately (last 3? years) nothing new is shared, any chance of going back and picking a well covered welder thread and getting it to archive status, nothing personal here directed to the OP.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Didn't this get beat to death a week ago ?!?!?!?!?

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Didn't this get beat to death a week ago ?!?!?!?!?




I think it did, i do know i had started a thread not to long ago, but a week on Moparts Q&A is long gone or a good 18-20 pages away, maybe more, i think a "sticky" would be a good thing, or a "welding" section.


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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Didn't this get beat to death a week ago ?!?!?!?!?




I think it did, i do know i had started a thread not to long ago, but a week on Moparts Q&A is long gone or a good 18-20 pages away, maybe more, i think a "sticky" would be a good thing, or a "welding" section.



It did in deed get discussed at nauseum. That being said, one consensus was that if you EVER consider doing anything heavier than body or exhaust work, you'll regret the 115/120 volt units. Even if ALL you do is body work, if you do a lot, plan on a gouge in your electric budget. I don't understand all I know about electricity, but I do know the 220 volt units are much cheaper to run. Also, as was stated previously, if you go strictly gas-less, you won't be happy. I have a gas-less 110 Lincoln and a gassed 220 Hobart. I tried using the Lincoln on body repairs because I had to work outside and didn't want to deal with the headaches of breezes and gas shield. The flux core wire, even at the lower voltage heats the metal too much and distortion was hard to control, not to mention the slag and excess splatter. I finally got fed up and scrounged a large piece of cardboard for a wind break and drug out the Hobart. I was a much happier camper.

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This is not the end all, be all recent welding thread, but its a start:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post5636933


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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I have a Century and use it quite often. It has never failed me. When I bought it 15 years ago the salesman (who I trust) of a large welding supply company said it was better because it has copper windings instead of aluminum. The duty time is a lot longer than the others at the time. Compare the duty cycle of each you are looking at, I know things have changed over the years since I bought mine. The good thing about aluminum windings it's lighter, mine is heavy.

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Didn't this get beat to death a week ago ?!?!?!?!?


Sorry for the question but I have been without a computer for alittle over 2 weeks

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It's like any other posts on Moparts, what classic car insurance to use, my car won't start, how to bleed brakes, who makes the cheapest....., how do I paint mt car with a brush and roller,...now thats one dead horse that rears it ugly head all the time ......some people are new, or never explored that facet of the hobby until they need to, don't know why people get their undies in bunchies over a simple question, even if they've seen it a hundred times

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The solution is pretty simple. If you dislike duplicate questions, do not read and do not post on the thread.

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Good answer DoctorDiff you ought to change your name to MakesaDiff :iagree

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The solution is pretty simple. If you dislike duplicate questions, do not read and do not post on the thread.




Duplicate is one thing, but 20? a year?
There is a better solution, just archive it.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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It's like any other posts on Moparts, what classic car insurance to use, my car won't start, how to bleed brakes, who makes the cheapest....., how do I paint mt car with a brush and roller,...now thats one dead horse that rears it ugly head all the time ......some people are new, or never explored that facet of the hobby until they need to, don't know why people get their undies in bunchies over a simple question, even if they've seen it a hundred times


Thank you I have been really thinking about signing off due to some of the know it all members on here. Some of use have only been at it for a short while and we have questions. I belive thats what forums are designed for. But I do think maybe a tool section would be very helpful.

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The solution is pretty simple. If you dislike duplicate questions, do not read and do not post on the thread.




Well said Cass

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The reason that 220v welders are cheaper to run:

A welder is basically a step down converter. This means that it takes a high voltage (110/220v) and low amperage (15A-50A) and converts it to low voltage (17v-45v) and high amperage(190A-590A).

The power company charges us by the amount of kilowatts of electricity (1000 watts) that we use.

If I'm welding using 110 Amps I'd be using 1 watt of power (110A/110v = 1w). However if I'm using a 220v welder then the equation changes to 110A/220v = 0.5w

That's why 220v welders are cheaper to run.

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I have a Century and use it quite often. It has never failed me. When I bought it 15 years ago the salesman (who I trust) of a large welding supply company said it was better because it has copper windings instead of aluminum. The duty time is a lot longer than the others at the time. Compare the duty cycle of each you are looking at, I know things have changed over the years since I bought mine. The good thing about aluminum windings it's lighter, mine is heavy.


Could someone explain Duty cycle and what it means

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