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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: Mastershake340]
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04/12/08 12:07 PM
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Anybody have a b'cast to confirm the following carb (all 1970 "N" E63) applications/numbers?
b'cast - CARB - 38 - Carter
---- automatic B, C or E body
** (4-door/wagon Bs, any Cs, Gran Coupes, Challenger SEs) ??**
Yes, No, Maybe!!!????
I've got a copy of the BCS for another JH27N0B car similiar to my car's which has a 38 carb code.
Thanks Brad,  & the engine code is?
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: BJohnson]
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04/12/08 12:09 PM
04/12/08 12:09 PM
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What about all the engines that got Carters instead of Holleys when Holley had the leaking problem?
Is this an "old wives tale" or is there a TSB or similar that confirms this actually took place?
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Re: My head hurts too.......
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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04/12/08 12:56 PM
04/12/08 12:56 PM
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Ya know, I read codes to educate & amuse myself, this post just continues to beat a dead horse...My head hurts so I think I'll jump in my JS27N0B &  .... 
 I'll go drive something!
I hope the end is near.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: rm23j8g]
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04/12/08 02:11 PM
04/12/08 02:11 PM
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I think the ...
383 automatic - E & B-body - with ECS (N95)..................... orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4218-A ----------part number 3418 543 on b'cast 43
... is your only choice as the with A/C carb is listed as w/o ECS.
383 automatic - E & B-body - with A/C (H51) & w/o ECS....... orange HP engine 335hp engine on b'cast 089
---------- Holley R4369-A ----------part number 3418 562 on b'cast 62
That was my big issue....which option took priority..wondering if the N95 trumped the A/C or not.
Thanks for your help!
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Hey rm23j8g - I took some heat keeping this thread alive that guys maybe like in your situation can find these answers made of gold. If I can help just one guy, like you, it was worth it. I bet the others feel the same since some continued to join in. Git R Done.
I like that 6bblgt produced a 084 engine for us, the Challenger R/T 383 4 speed with a/c.
We all see an 084 doesn't have a Carter carb like I prematurely forecasted. Its easy to see why I concluded an 084 engine would wear a Carter since we've learned blue equals Carter equals 330hp.
6bblgt is right to remind us there are no Carter carbs listed for either manual transmissions.
What in the world is that poor little R/T doing with a 084 330hp engine code. Some might cringe to know of such evil treacherousness!! We see it shares the same 37 Holley carb like the 087 code 335hp engines did. Too bad we also don't know what color it is/was.
Even though the list states this engine combo is blue, 6bbgt knows alot more than I do and I like his style. Maybe one will surface later to confirm or deny. Can't be too hard to find another 383 'Cuda or R/T or two with a 4 speed and A/C...can it? Furyman posted us a picture of one - a mangled up green 'Cuda 383 with 4 speed and a/c orange engine, I wonder if he has the BCS sheet and if it is also an 084/37 combo too.
Cause its either that, or Dan just blew the lid on this whole thing and found us the first 'public' documentation in 38 years of an R/T that may or does NOT have a 383 Magnum.
There is no code for 383 manual w/o A/C 335hp orange listed, the same anomolies may or do exist as with the 084/087 engine.
So many members came in to give their input that together we've all shed enough light on this subject.
I had a good idea that only a very small percentage of the Super Commando and Magnum 383's wound up in the base model E Bodys. To everyone, thanks for helping to explain the few possible reasons why guys. All the rest of those HP motors found their rightful homes into safe places like 1 Wild RT's R/T. No hard feelings. Hey 1 Wild RT, after reading this, what is your engine code/carb code/engine color? Do you hav A/C or not? You have an N code '70...
62mxwgn is the big dog up in Pa. That Superbird of his is hard to miss in a small town or anywhere for that fact. Him and J Bauchman are the old dogs that know Mopar like nobody else. Tony told me I needed to listen to everything you say, never had the honor to hear or meet you. If you've grown tired of this it's really time for me to step off.
The squeaky wheel always gets the grease.
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The b5 conv is not...repeat...not bogus - that is if any one cares.
Last edited by ebodyseast; 04/13/08 11:23 PM.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: hemi71]
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05/11/08 01:25 AM
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I've been glued to this post & trying to digest all the research & info brought out by many. I gotta ad one fact that I know first hand. I bought a brand new 70 Cuda, Lemon Twist & black, Super Commando 383 4 speed, 3:23's, AC, rear window slats, magnum 500's. Paid $6k cash & drove it off the showroom of Sam Krug Chrysler Plymouth in Vegas. I remember vividly the 335 HP orange 383 w/ the Holley carb. I know for a fact it was rated over 10:1 compression & used the factory literature to impress my bro w/ his 69 Charger R/T. I buried the speedo (past 150) racing my friend's 63 fulie Vette. Only mod I had was headers. Ran like a raped ape...even with AC.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: Triggerfish]
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05/11/08 02:09 AM
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And one member here said "NO ONE CARES!" Thanks for staying glued Triggerfish, but it seems this thread has died out of its own fruition. I'm convinced - more so from stories such as yours and the pic of Furyman's car, that the 4 speed A/C cars were also 335hp, even when that list Dan presented of engine codes and engine colors basically leads one to think otherwise. I bet having that baby buried at 150 was balls out my new friend! Thats livin the dream fellas. 
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ebodyseast]
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05/11/08 12:59 PM
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The Vette had lower gears, after racing 10 miles down from Lees Canyon ski area, we got to US 95 toward Vegas & punched off ag 30 mph. The heavy Cuda pulled away around 90 & the front end started floating & porpoising around 120-155. All on F70 Polyglass tires, (prone to the fiberglass belts separating). Lookin back, that ranks w/ the most stupid thing I ever did!
My bro & many of our friends had Mopars & were always working on them or at Las Vegas Dodge trying to get the mechanics to "super tune" our cars for the latest edge. (Here's a pic of my bro staging a pic for the yearbook in 69 w/ this CHarger R/T. Sticker price was $4900.
Call it what you want, I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I know for a fact what my Cuda had. I'll bet someone will tell me my engint block was blue cause my Cuda had AC, but when I put the headers on, I sure don't think I was colored blind.
Not trying to fuel an arguement, but don't really care what other's think, cause I know its the truth & that's all that matters.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
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05/11/08 03:34 PM
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Anecdotes are not good ways to document a car. Especially from a guy who claims he spent $6000 on a 383 'Cuda.
I thought we were over this already - you can hope all you want, but that doesn't make something real.
There are plenty of guys here who know a hell of a lot and have given you advice, and by ignoring them, you run the risk of giving us a car where some owner in the future will swear his car is 1 of 1 because it has a certain configuration that perhaps never existed. 
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Hope is the thing in life that makes it worth living my new friend. My only hopes were that I had a 335hp/orange engine, and yes, there are many here with what they do know who have set me straight, I have ignored nobodody here - so i have lost hope that my car has an HP/orange engine.
Its a matching numbers block that is blue with not a speck of orange, auto and A/C - so I cannot and will never claim otherwise. The only HP part on my engine are valve springs with surge dampers and a cam I have not yet been able to measure its stock lift to see if it is up tp 440HP specs. There is still speculation if a 330hp engine would even have HP springs. I do have many here to thank (thanks guys) for what they've brought to the table, those same cars like mine also have convinced me.
But there is a whole nother realm of '70 383 cars out there unlike mine and it has been attempted to set the facts straight on these other cars. I have little to gain except education/knowledge of my favorite cars, E Bodys. Its been my pleasure to hear from most of these great owners, some, not so great.
The only questions that have remained are to get the BCS info on those 383 BH/JH/BP/JP/BS/JS cars that were not covered.
Mainly, a 1970 383 4 speed w/ A/C in any model confiuration. Nobody has given BCS engine codes for this example except for one person, and this engine code they provided is 'listed' as a blue 330hp engine - only it wears the Holley carb code too. Nobody has proven yet that these 4 speed/Holley/with A/C engines were orange, only 'stories' - and this is what has been ignored in this thread. I've ignored nobody and only waited for the owners to perhaps kindly provide us here pictorial evidence as to their engine codes and perhaps actual original pictures of the engine installed, and with their testimony, like our latest entry.
So no, this thread has not been completely 'covered' and I'm keeping it alive to help prove what 'most cars' came through with. Mainly, the engine coding differences between a 'Cuda and R/T and their lower performance siblings...like mine.
Like I said way back, how hard is it to find real documentation for 4 speed A/C 383's to help us prove the 'facts'?? The only thing I've ignored is that list Dan presented for this one engine combo. I, like him, think the list is wrong/trumped by the Holley carb code.
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
[Re: ECS]
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05/11/08 07:38 PM
05/11/08 07:38 PM
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If everyone keeps giving more warm fuzzies,this d@mn thing that started as a simple question could go on forever! 
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Re: How many N code BH27 Barracudas built
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06/13/08 11:49 PM
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One of my car's lost brothers is for sale on Ebay, $90K. First thing I wanted to see was the color of the engine. While it is a BH27 N code 383 4bbl and auto with A/C - the engine is painted orange and the owner claims it is a 335hp 'Cuda engine - it being a June of '70 SPD and mine a July of '70 - there should be little differences...if any. Potential buyers would be wise to do some research.
I emailed the owner and asked if they could provide the line 4 BCS engine code and carb code - as of yet no answer back, and I'm not holding out to hear back from them.
Galen G. may have provided to them that only 4 of the 36 autos came with A/C, so as my car has not yet been GG documented...it may be number 5 of the 36 autos with A/C.
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