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1969 440 oil pump drive #548181 12/07/09 01:45 PM 12/07/09 01:45 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	using the rubber handle of a hammer I drove the oil pump grear in place, it is off by one tooth and I can not seem to be able to pull it back out with a very long needle nose pliers. Is there a special tool to do this?

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548182 12/07/09 01:55 PM 12/07/09 01:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas	Just rewire the distributor to match the new position. BTW why did you need to drive the gear it? It should have just slide in. Did you ream out the brass bushing to fit the shaft?

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548183 12/07/09 01:57 PM 12/07/09 01:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,249 Las Vegas JeffC pro stock
JeffC pro stock Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,249 Las Vegas	Have you tried twisting the drive backwards with a large screwdriver? That will usually pop them free.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: stumpy] #548184 12/07/09 02:00 PM 12/07/09 02:00 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	It is a new bushing and I tried it prior to installing it and it slide over the shaft fine. I installed the bushing then greased the shaft and pushed down as far as I could reach and then lightly tapped the gear home. The book I have says the notch on the top of the gear needs to be in the same line as the crank, it is now one gear slot toward the top of the engine. Are you saying it is ok to leave it.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JeffC] #548185 12/07/09 02:01 PM 12/07/09 02:01 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	great thought, no I did not try that

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548186 12/07/09 02:09 PM 12/07/09 02:09 PM
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doctor_mopar super stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,051 Slidell, La.	If the other methods have failed you. Take the oil pump off , and you can tap the shaft up and out from that end. ------------------------ It doesn't matter what you do.........As long as you look good doing it !

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548187 12/07/09 02:10 PM 12/07/09 02:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas	Yes it's ok the leave it.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: stumpy] #548188 12/07/09 03:29 PM 12/07/09 03:29 PM
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Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	I'm going to show you the neatest little tool you'll ever have in your toolbox. Absolutely invaluable if the intake manifold is still on and you want to extract or install the distributer gear properly aligned. You'll need: Aprox. 18" of PVC pipe (1) PVC pipe union (1) 8" ty-wrap Make a small chamfer at one end of the pipe Lay the ty-wrap onto the chamfer Install the union Insert the dizzy gear into the union. It's a 'jam' fit. Align the slot on the dizzy with the ty-wrap. The best distributer gear installation (and removal) tool in the world and it cost next to nothing.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: Commando1] #548189 12/07/09 04:30 PM 12/07/09 04:30 PM
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Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: R70RUNNER] #548190 12/07/09 04:44 PM 12/07/09 04:44 PM
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CYACOP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,958 SW Fla.	I just went through this and got a clothes hanger and made a hook on the end and pulled on the hanger behind the gear and put a screw driver in the drive slot so I could pull and twist at the same time. Ran the shaft in and out a couple of times in the new bushing and it fred up nice and smooth.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548191 12/07/09 04:59 PM 12/07/09 04:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: It is a new bushing and I tried it prior to installing it and it slide over the shaft fine. I installed the bushing then greased the shaft and pushed down as far as I could reach and then lightly tapped the gear home. The book I have says the notch on the top of the gear needs to be in the same line as the crank, it is now one gear slot toward the top of the engine. Are you saying it is ok to leave it. Here is your first PROBLEM .. the bushing needs to be SIZED after install , the correct installation tool does this , the fact that you had to DRIVE the gear in tells me you didn't have the correct tool . Remove the the oilpump and use a wood or alum dowel and drive it back out , if you don't the bushing will more than likely sieze on the shaft and spin in the block potentially wrecking the block ... I have been able to always remove the oil pump drive with needle nose pliers ,I have even had luck spinning it back UP wit ha long screwdriver on occasion . The drive ALWAYS just falls into place , if you have to tap it in you have a PROBLEM ...

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JohnRR] #548192 12/07/09 05:25 PM 12/07/09 05:25 PM
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Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JohnRR] #548193 12/07/09 07:18 PM 12/07/09 07:18 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	thanks I guess I agree with you, it should not be that tight

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JohnRR] #548194 12/07/09 08:01 PM 12/07/09 08:01 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	I pulled the oil pump and with little effort was able to drive the shaft out but can not get the bushing out. I cleaned all the grease off the shaft that I caked on it prior to the first install and put some 30 weight oil on it instead and seems like it may slide in now, do I need to look for anything else first.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548195 12/07/09 08:46 PM 12/07/09 08:46 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you.	what do you mean it SEEMS LIKE IT MAY slide in now ? either it goes in easy or it doesn't . It's highly possible you SIZED it by DRIVING in the shaft , not how I would have done it mind you . As far as getting the bushing out you don't need to unless you damaged it. where there any bushing looking pieces on the end of the oil pump when you dropped it out ? take an air gun and blow air down the passage , oil pump off , to clean out anything that might have come off the bushing during your shadetree sizing job .

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JohnRR] #548196 12/07/09 08:51 PM 12/07/09 08:51 PM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	no sign of brass shavings and what I mean is the shaft drops into place until I get to the gears and have not tried to go any further at this point until I got the ok from you guys

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548197 12/07/09 08:57 PM 12/07/09 08:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,985 Grand Prairie,Texas	If it goes that far you should be ok.

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548198 12/07/09 08:58 PM 12/07/09 08:58 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: no sign of brass shavings and what I mean is the shaft drops into place until I get to the gears and have not tried to go any further at this point until I got the ok from you guys Did it drop in like that the first time or did you have to drive it all the way in ? it should just go right in , if you have to tap it all all it's still too tight . Is the timing cover on the engine right now ? If not I would pull out the cam and make sure it drops all the way in and FREELY spins .

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: JohnRR] #548199 12/08/09 11:27 AM 12/08/09 11:27 AM
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moparrookie OP member M Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 46 appleton,wis	it drops in all the way to the gear

Re: 1969 440 oil pump drive [Re: moparrookie] #548200 12/08/09 12:57 PM 12/08/09 12:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,094 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: it drops in all the way to the gear But it needs to drop in all the way to it's final seated position. I don't have one handy but I'm pretty sure the part that rides inside the bushing is a little bigger than the rest of the shaft length ?

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