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Re: My two cents
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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12/20/09 08:27 PM
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Follow the money.. A member for 11 months yet fully 25% of your posts so far to date relate to this thread... 
Update, fully 33% of your posts so far to date relate to this thread... 
Randy thanks for the updates on percentage of post,your behind. Appears MCG may have a stake in the company.
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Re: My two cents
[Re: DennisH ]
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12/20/09 10:18 PM
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Z-alt. Why no 10-40 offered if it is targeted at muscle?
A good point. If the engine was built with non excessive bearing, piston to cyl wall clearances, there's no need to run 20w-50. Man...you'll see that on road racers maybe...maybe. Sucking a couple hp too.
Needing an additive package means you are using the wrong oil. Valvoline's VR series oil has sufficient zinc dithiophosphate in it...and I wouldn't even run that if I had a roller cam in it.
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Re: My two cents
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12/21/09 12:24 AM
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When I compare the Z-alt to the Amsoil I use, Its Amsoil hands down! And for about the same price Amsoil is synthetic.
Four ball wear test Z-Alt .64 Amsoil .35
Noack Volatility Z-Alt 6.2% Amsoil 7.6%
TBN Z-Alt 6.3 Amsoil 12.1
It is impossible to compare Amsoil oil one to one when viewing Z-alt's testing report because Z-alt's testing shown on-line is the additive alone, not the additive mixed in with an oil. So the comparison you are making would have to mean the customer would be running 100% additive with no oil! Which when you think about it, you would have to admit the figures are extremely impressive.
The Z-Alt Certificate Of Analysis shows that the D-4172 Four Ball-Wear, mm (w/mineral oil) is 0.64
Does this mean the additive uses a mineral oil carrier or did they mix the additive with a mineral oil for testing? Does Z-Alt have MSDS sheets for all their products? Can't find them at their site.
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So what that means is when Z-alt additive is mixed into a quality oil it out performs the Amsoil product.
More anecdotal proof on top of the growing mountain of anecdotal proof.
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We have added Z-alt's additive to Amsoil and got fantastic results and would definitely consider it for certain applications, however for an older muscle car, I prefer a petroleum based oil with the correct additive additive pack to keep all gaskets and seals properly hydrated becuase my car sees limited use.
Amsoil utilizes a balanced additive package which includes Seal Conditioners that keep seals pliable much the same as any properly formulated motor oil on the market today. No need to perpetuate a tired myth that synthetic oils are bad on seals and cause leaks.
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Re: My two cents
[Re: CompSyn]
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12/21/09 11:47 AM
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Interesting..... Looks like the Amsoil gang can't stop selling... Well, actually they're not selling at all, they're just knocking a new and apparently worrisome competitor, using their own sloganeering, talking points and apocrypha.
I'm no oil expert, but I do know marketing, sales and positioning... Top brands, brands with "significant differentiation" like Apple and Sony, rarely show product and never mention the competition, they sell what they have based on their status and product strength.
Lesser brands typically revert to comparisons and sometimes name calling, sowing seeds of doubt. This is because they really have nothing special on their own except price or place.....
For me, this is interesting to watch irrespective of the oil issues... it's classic marketing and position jostling - straight out of the textbooks.
I would be interested in hearing about what Amsoil is, not what everyone else isn't...
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Re: My two cents
[Re: newvcode]
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12/21/09 12:15 PM
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Personally, I think all you guys are idiots. Who cares about Amsoil, Z-Alt whatever. spending $40-$50 just for oil on an oil change? You're all nuts or paranoid. Castrol GTX, get it on sale for $11.50 5 qts VS $47 for 6 quarts. Throw in a bottle of Comp Cams break in lube for $12... done. 
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Re: Has anyone tried the new Musclecar Oil? Z-Alt
[Re: 340wedge]
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12/21/09 01:18 PM
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lets have a fight!! how about cage fight to the death. lol . Im a locomotive engineer and about 45 years old and have tearing engines apart cents 1978, my newest is a 383 stroker broke in with gtx now has mobil 1 in it .In the spring I will try the z alt oil . I build my own street engines but my race car engine is a roller pro built and I use gtx in it. all my late model mopars have mobile 1 in them ,2005 hemi ram ,2007 magnum ,2007 pacifica .my 105 inch harley engine that I built my self I run bellray semi sync and slick 50 never had a problem with any engine wear or performance. when they break you make them bigger ,glad the saints lost
IF YOU ARE NOT WRECKING STUFF YOU ARE NOT LEARNING !
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Re: Has anyone tried the new Musclecar Oil? Z-Alt
[Re: sparcy]
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12/21/09 01:40 PM
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lets have a fight!! how about cage fight to the death. lol . Im a locomotive engineer and about 45 years old and have tearing engines apart cents 1978, my newest is a 383 stroker broke in with gtx now has mobil 1 in it .In the spring I will try the z alt oil .
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Since = Past tense
Sense = "sense of smell"
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Re: Has anyone tried the new Musclecar Oil? Z-Alt
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/21/09 07:55 PM
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lets have a fight!! how about cage fight to the death. lol . Im a locomotive engineer and about 45 years old and have tearing engines apart cents 1978, my newest is a 383 stroker broke in with gtx now has mobil 1 in it .In the spring I will try the z alt oil .
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Since = Past tense
Sense = "sense of smell"
Sence = Buy a spell checker
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It's worked for me for years. 
