engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks...
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11/19/09 08:47 PM
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car hasn't been started for 2 weeks or so, and fired it up today. i first shot about 3 seconds of starter fluid in each carb, as the gas tends to evaporate from the eddies.
when it started it ran really rough, like a couple of cylinders weren't firing. blew a lot of smoke out the tail pipe, bluish. i let it run for about 10 seconds or so, and shut it off. waited a minute or so and started it up, and it did the same thing.
shut if off again, and went and stood behind the car, and could really smell the starter fluid.
started it up again, and it ran rough for a bit, and then calmed down. saw on the drip pan on the floor a big spot of blackish, watery soot, that i saw the last time it did this, quite a while ago.
what causes the engine to load up like that after just sitting for a couple of weeks? has only done this once before.
was it too much starter fluid???
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 02:38 AM
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Starter fluid is bad on a motor. It creates a detonation and possibly a blown head gasket. It's a lot better to crank it until it starts and make sure the choke is working right.
hmmmm..... didn't know that. i'm glad i posted about this.
starter fluid goes in the trash.
or maybe i'll use the rest with a lighter like we used to do with cans of hair spray when we were kids!!! that'll make my 7 year old jump! 
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 07:47 AM
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but does anyone think the starter fluid is why it was so loaded up??
Yes, it sure didn't help.
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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sounds to me like it was just running rough because you didn't have fuel in the bowls yet, and it was a cold motor. the water is nothing to worry about. gasoline combustion is a really simple process: in a perfect burn, you have Hydro-Carbons from the gasoline burning with the O2 in the atmosphere to create CO2 and H2O, or, carbon dioxide and water.
now, with the air being 80% nitrogen, you're going to also get NOx molecules, which will steal oxygen from the CO2 molecules, and you'll end up with carbon monoxide as well as carbon dioxide.
bottom line...moisture is a natural byproduct of an internal combustion engine. this is why it's NOT a good idea to start your engine "every 2 weeks while in storage" because all you're doing is filling your crankcase and exhaust with steam...which will then condense into water, rotting your exhaust from the inside out, and mixing water with the oil in your crankcase. Do not start your car unless you plan to drive it for 15-20 minutes to get everything fully warmed up.
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 01:21 PM
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... Do not start your car unless you plan to drive it for 15-20 minutes to get everything fully warmed up.
thanks for the info, makes sense.
and it was started for a long 3 hour drive up the coast, so it got plenty warm 
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 01:24 PM
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I don't know what you are caklling loaded up?? It is very common to have water coming out of the exhaust. Condesation is a natural occurance in an engine.
don't know if that is the best term for it, but as i described, running very rough, didn't want to rev easily, and spitting a lot of smoke out the back. probably within a total of 1 minute running, completely cleared up...
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ether
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11/20/09 01:49 PM
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You don't need 3 seconds of ether to start it! If it is in good shape, just put a tablespoon of gas down one of the carbs. This will give it enough to crank, sputter and die if the fuel bowls are empty. one or two more crank ups and the pump should have the bowls full enough to start and keep cranking. You might benefit from a small electric pump you can switch on to fill the bowls if you don't drive much, that way you can just turn it on for 15 secs, turn it off, press the gas a couple times to squirt some gas, and go.
Ether is not necessary, but keep it around in case you really can't get started. In that case, you want to spray just a second and open the throttle all the way up to let the gas get sucked in. It won't run on ether (unless you keep spraying- BAD idea) but if you can't get it to even cough or burp ether can be a good check to see if it is a fuel problem because if you have compression and spark ether WILL fire, even with poor conditions. Also ether is good for cleaning parts. Just be careful it is super explosive and evaporates fast.
Also, too much ether and a slightly off timing can make a nice fire in the intake/carb if it pops off a little backfire. Be careful and stop shooting so much ether!
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 05:37 PM
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From experience like above I would say that his smoke is a result of the eather/fuel/cold engine/fuel atomiztion. Not a big thing. It cleared up as the mixture stabilized the way it sounds.
that's kind of what i thought. valve seats are fresh by a very reputable head guy, so that isn't an issue.
doesn't do this at all on normal start up, even when cold. and again, i could really smell the ether when i stood behind the car.
the ether is out the door, i'll keep a small container of gas around for when there is nothing in the carbs...
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 06:05 PM
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Starter fluid is bad on a motor. It creates a detonation and possibly a blown head gasket. It's a lot better to crank it until it starts and make sure the choke is working right.
hmmmm..... didn't know that. i'm glad i posted about this.
starter fluid goes in the trash.
or maybe i'll use the rest with a lighter like we used to do with cans of hair spray when we were kids!!! that'll make my 7 year old jump!
It has to do also with you spraying for 3 seconds in each carb , which I assume you did the last time it happened also ??? That's WAY TOO MUCH , a small shot in the rear carb would have got it to fire , but I like Dayclonas idea of filling the bowl thru the vent .
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Re: engine really loaded up after sitting a few weeks..
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11/20/09 06:11 PM
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... it to fire , but I like Dayclonas idea of filling the bowl thru the vent .
me too. i just wasn't aware of either how little of that was needed, and also that it isn't really good for the engine.
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