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Painting wiper motors #528693
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Any tips on painting a 3 speed wiper motor? Mine looks terrible and I would like to give it a coat of paint. I'm also have some miscellaneous parts powder coated soon and would prefer to just have it powder coated as well. Is it easy to pull these things apart and put the back together? Will I need any gaskets, etc...?

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528694
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...the housing can usually be made respectable with a wire wheel.
get 2 or 3 "different" spray bombs of gold and one of silver.
alternately dust the motor housing with all four in no particular pattern so it has large sections of each shade blended and clear coat when finished.(gold and alum. are soft paints)
it won't look like the restored gold irridated ones but will look nice and close to original which was quite dull
splash the wires and back w/red oxide primer....
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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528695
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.


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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528696
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.


Jules does outstanding work!

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: repad] #528697
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He has posted his work here, and the quality shows!

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528698
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.




Jules is the top choice, but if you are on a budget (like I am), you can do a decent job on your own.

Remove the cover on the transmission.

Clean the entire assembly using a Scotch Brite pad.

Clean the cover for the transmission and the harness with 409 or Simple Green.

Carefully tape the motor portion off as well as the part where the cover was. Paint this with Eastwood Aluminum (or equal). Remove the tape and allow this to dry for 2-3 days.

Using a painters tape, tape off the newly painted portion and spray the body - here is the point of contention - black. Some should be zinc chromate, so the Eastwood system would work, but I like Black. It my car after all.

Clean all of the hardware on a wire wheel (polish the ground strap). and reassemble. Retape the harness and there you go. I think my motor looks decent and it only cost about 20 bucks to do. That gives me more $$ for the budget!

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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: repad] #528699
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...i thought he was asking how to do it...

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528700
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.




Thanks I've seen his work and its amazing, however I can't justify spending $300 on a wiper motor.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Mr Belvedere II] #528701
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.




Jules is the top choice, but if you are on a budget (like I am), you can do a decent job on your own.

Remove the cover on the transmission.

Clean the entire assembly using a Scotch Brite pad.

Clean the cover for the transmission and the harness with 409 or Simple Green.

Carefully tape the motor portion off as well as the part where the cover was. Paint this with Eastwood Aluminum (or equal). Remove the tape and allow this to dry for 2-3 days.

Using a painters tape, tape off the newly painted portion and spray the body - here is the point of contention - black. Some should be zinc chromate, so the Eastwood system would work, but I like Black. It my car after all.

Clean all of the hardware on a wire wheel (polish the ground strap). and reassemble. Retape the harness and there you go. I think my motor looks decent and it only cost about 20 bucks to do. That gives me more $$ for the budget!




Thanks I might try your approach. What did you do with the wires? It looks like they are soldered on the case...just unsolder then paint, resolder later?

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528702
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.


You may want to re-read this response especially the last line. I have never seen what I consider a respectible job on a three speed wiper motor which was painted. Plating is the right way to go. Also the price charged for doing it right (complete restoration) not only includes the finish but the internals are restored, wires and any other worn parts are replaced. That said, you may want to consider removing the barrell and have it plated.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528703
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Well I was in the same boat as you. My wiper motor looked horrible. One of the past owners spray bombed the motor black in the engine compartment. Here is a pic of it.
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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Ronnman] #528704
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I took the wiper motor assembly off and cleaned it up real good. Sprayed the transmission part with Eastwood's Aluma Blast, the motor with a gold from the touch-up aisle, the motor end housing with a different aluminum paint. I repainted the epoxy covering the wires with a brushed on red Rustoleum enamel. Came out good for what it is. If you want perfection, go to Jules as mentioned. Here's a pic of the wiper asssembly about 2 years old now.
Ron

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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Ronnman] #528705
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Another pic.
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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Ronnman] #528706
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Ronnman...your wiper motor looks very good. Yours is probably the nicest one I've seen that has been "home restored"

For me personally though, I can't justify spending a ton of money on the body/paint and then NOT have Jules do the motor. Anything less won't cut it. I'm shipping mine to him tomorrow.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Ronnman] #528707
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All good responses.
Here is a tease

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #528708
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Ronnman, your paint job looks fantastic. I think it is a great option for guys on a budget and I appreciate you showing us your handy work. I also really like the stuff Jules is doing also. Some top notch stuff. I guess I will wait till my car is painted and on it's way to being put back together to decide what my budget can afford and how the rest of the job is going to decide what route I am going. A guy certainly could do a home restore like you did to get by for a while then upgrade to a "Jules motor" when money allows it.

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Also, remember Jules is taking the wiper assembly completely apart, cleaning, servicing, replacing wear items and then replating the components. It's more than an exterior makeover. I had just choose to clean and paint mine because it looked so hideous.
Ron

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: moparmojo] #528710
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You budget minded people are not looking at the whole picture. You must have never had to try to replace the entire wiper system with the dash in place. Save money on stuff you can get to and unbolt in a few minutes. If the car is apart, there is no way I am going to not replace with correctly restored parts the wiper assembly, master cyl. and heater box and dash assembly.

I love my time and efforts and arms and hands and skin too much to do it more than once. And even though everyone in being nice, as soon as you look at the painted wiper motor you know what you are thinking.

If your budget is too tight to restore the wiper motor and never have to touch it again you need a different hobbie. After years and thousands and thousands of dollars to paint your car and you skip the wiper motor???


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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528711
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I understand that people are on a budget. If I couldn't get mine properly done (plated) then I'd chemically clean it or soda blast it and leave it alone rather than paint it.

Another teaser; wiper motor by jules;




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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528712
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Here is a tip, send it to Jules and never have to deal with it again. Do it right once. 3 speed wiper motors look really bad, and cheap unless they are done correctly.




Jules is the top choice, but if you are on a budget (like I am), you can do a decent job on your own.

Remove the cover on the transmission.

Clean the entire assembly using a Scotch Brite pad.

Clean the cover for the transmission and the harness with 409 or Simple Green.

Carefully tape the motor portion off as well as the part where the cover was. Paint this with Eastwood Aluminum (or equal). Remove the tape and allow this to dry for 2-3 days.

Using a painters tape, tape off the newly painted portion and spray the body - here is the point of contention - black. Some should be zinc chromate, so the Eastwood system would work, but I like Black. It my car after all.

Clean all of the hardware on a wire wheel (polish the ground strap). and reassemble. Retape the harness and there you go. I think my motor looks decent and it only cost about 20 bucks to do. That gives me more $$ for the budget!




Thanks I might try your approach. What did you do with the wires? It looks like they are soldered on the case...just unsolder then paint, resolder later?




They are not soldered (from what I remember), just tape them.


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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #528713
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You budget minded people are not looking at the whole picture. You must have never had to try to replace the entire wiper system with the dash in place. Save money on stuff you can get to and unbolt in a few minutes. If the car is apart, there is no way I am going to not replace with correctly restored parts the wiper assembly, master cyl. and heater box and dash assembly.

I love my time and efforts and arms and hands and skin too much to do it more than once. And even though everyone in being nice, as soon as you look at the painted wiper motor you know what you are thinking.

If your budget is too tight to restore the wiper motor and never have to touch it again you need a different hobbie. After years and thousands and thousands of dollars to paint your car and you skip the wiper motor???




Not everyone has a spare $300 for a wiper motor!

I agree Jules is the master and when I can afford a car that is both rare and desireable, I will probably pony up the 3 bones, but on a 67 Belvedere with a factory slanty, I just cannot justify the expense.

$300 will rebuild a front end, buy a driveshaft for the 383 conversion, put a 3:55 in the 8 3/4 or put an exhaust under the car.


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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: Mr Belvedere II] #528714
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You budget minded people are not looking at the whole picture. You must have never had to try to replace the entire wiper system with the dash in place. Save money on stuff you can get to and unbolt in a few minutes. If the car is apart, there is no way I am going to not replace with correctly restored parts the wiper assembly, master cyl. and heater box and dash assembly.

I love my time and efforts and arms and hands and skin too much to do it more than once. And even though everyone in being nice, as soon as you look at the painted wiper motor you know what you are thinking.

If your budget is too tight to restore the wiper motor and never have to touch it again you need a different hobbie. After years and thousands and thousands of dollars to paint your car and you skip the wiper motor???




Not everyone has a spare $300 for a wiper motor!

I agree Jules is the master and when I can afford a car that is both rare and desireable, I will probably pony up the 3 bones, but on a 67 Belvedere with a factory slanty, I just cannot justify the expense.

$300 will rebuild a front end, buy a driveshaft for the 383 conversion, put a 3:55 in the 8 3/4 or put an exhaust under the car.




I agree. Plus a painted wiper motor would that people look at in disgust would still be a lot better than what I have lol

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528715
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theres a guy in california that rebuild them for $200. new plating and everything. looks good.

name is Bruce Somer at 951-675-9551

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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528716
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When I see one that looks as though someone tried to make it look correct but took a shortcut, it sends up a red flag. I think to myself "wonder how many other shortcuts were made on this restoration" My advice is, if you can't afford to get it done right, at least paint it a custom color, don't attemp to cover up the fact.

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our Aussie motor's are a little differant to the US unit's, I just finnished my wiper motor yesterday, i sent the covers off to the platers and sandblasted the alloy body with glass bead, the resault was great for the small amount of money that went into it.



Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: dodgy] #528718
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Contact Kim Leddger at Passion for mopars Kim@passion4mopars.com He does full restos just like Jules and others. Top notch work. He also has a do it your self kit for guys with a smaller budget.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: repad] #528719
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Well as long as the part is cleaned and freshly redone (whether to original finishes or not) I am fine with it. I also think it depends on what you are doing with car. Not everyone can afford or pull off a top notch resto. But that is not to say I would ever thumb my nose at another car guy because his car wasn't done exactly like the factory did it. I hope our hobby hasnt gotten that ridiculous.

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Well as long as the part is cleaned and freshly redone (whether to original finishes or not) I am fine with it. I also think it depends on what you are doing with car. Not everyone can afford or pull off a top notch resto. But that is not to say I would ever thumb my nose at another car guy because his car wasn't done exactly like the factory did it. I hope our hobby hasnt gotten that ridiculous.




Yeah I guess I should have specified that I don't have a T/A Challenger or Hemi Cuda, its just a lowly original /6 Demon...IE doesn't have to be factory original looking.

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Thanks for the "plug" dougsmopars! I always appreciate the kind words, except "he" is a she, LOL. But who's counting?

Nice work Jules, as always


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Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528722
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Why is it that when someone asks a how to do it question on this board half of the responses are "send it to... or Buy it from...", thats not the point of the hobby. Then some have the nerve to tell someone to find a new hobby if they can't afford or don't want a $300.00 on wiper motor, you can stuff it. I think that the wiper motors done by someone who specializes in doing them looks great but you have to give due credit to the guy who wants to do it himself.

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hej,if i had a demon-6 i would go for as factory correct as i could afford/want to do.i like the patina of used parts that belong to the car.jadajadajada

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To me there is no "lowly" mopar....just budget constraints which most of us understand, believe me I've learned to squeeze a nickle til the buffalo farts...

Do you have this motor apart or are you trying to clean it up with it fully assembled??

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Just thought i would add if you do not know what you are doing you do not want to take this thing apart.I learned the hard way that they do not go back together as easy as they come apart.Also not everyone cares if it looks original or not just want it to look better.

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Here is my '73 Roadrunner's, I used the Eastwood "Golden Cad" system, and then clear coated it. For less than $20, I am happy with it! I did the jack too, it fools about half of the people that see it.........

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Oh yeah, and don't make the dumb mistake I made and restore one that doesn't work.........this is the second one I did.

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Nothing wrong with painting your parts. It's your car. Do what makes you happy. A nice car is a nice car. Clean and detailed is beautiful. Doesn't matter if factory correct. Not everyone is restoring a 70 Hemi cuda convert. Seems foolish to me to spend 50 K restoring and 5 years work on a 30 K car.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: chache876] #528731
02/05/10 07:41 PM
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chache you can use Rustoleum Spray On Airline Stripper, I find mine at Auto Zone for under $10 a can, pretty nasty stuff if you get it on your skin, but it will clean every nook and cranny on that housing. Let it sit about 10 minutes, blast it with water from the hose (that's how I've done it), let it dry and it's ready for paint....if you're going to paint it.

If you don't wanna paint that bad boy and the motor is apart, send it to me and I'll blast that housing and return it to you. I've been there, done that, before I had the equipment to build the way I do now, I had people help me, and now I'm paying it forward....

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: 4BBodies] #528732
02/05/10 07:56 PM
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4BBodies. Motor looks really good. Nice job. I tried the east wood on some parts i couldn't get the green and red tones right. Yours looks super.

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: 4BBodies] #528733
02/05/10 10:08 PM
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...very nice indeed.
lots of guys comission the work.
that's fine as long as the credit ends up in the right place.
money is not always the incentive either,as a lot of guys get pleasure out of doing things themselves
..well done!

Re: Painting wiper motors [Re: can.al] #528734
02/06/10 10:55 AM
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There are multiple ways of looking at it, it all comes down the one actually doing the works capibilitess and what they desire in a finished product.

Doing it at home offers more of a sense of accomplishment for the builder.

For me I'll send it to Jules,, mainly because he does more than just make it pretty. And my time can be spent on things I know how to do with confidence. Not to mention finding internal parts can't be getting any easier to locate on a day to day basis.

Even though I have platers avail and the basic knowhow to restore it in house

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