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small block overheating #520084
11/08/09 10:29 PM
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Took Duster to t-n-t and in the short trip from pits to staging lanes and then to the line car heats to over 210 degrees ?? I had the fan and the waterpump running the whole time, I run a big 4core factory radiator any ideas ??? The water pump runs off an electric motor any chance it's not spinning fast enough to keep the engine cool ?? Any ideas would be a great help Chris3 is taking it down to Kinston next Saturday for an Old Timers race would love to figure it out before he gets down there !!!

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Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520085
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If its the Moroso pump drive, yes, very possible. It pumps 8.8gpm w/standard drive pulley and 11.3gpm w/ the 28% OD pulley. You might try an extra fan. Also, (please forgive) but where do you get the blue headlights/covers or whatever.


Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
Re: small block overheating [Re: 340B5] #520086
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What pressure cap and do you have a spring in the lower hose?

Re: small block overheating [Re: 340B5] #520087
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we're running Spal dual fans now, but I'll check the speed of the motor and the pressure cap this week. Chris3 did the headlamps for me( thanks pops ) using the same paint tricks they used back in the 60's

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Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520088
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Is the gauge accurate? Are you running a thermostat? Usually that much heat that soon indicates no water circulating or a crack somewhere letting heat in Let us know waht you find and do please


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Re: small block overheating [Re: Cab_Burge] #520089
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No t-stat in the housing and we haven't found any signs of water mixing with oil so I'm leaing towards what somesuggested earlier that my electric water pump is not moving fast enough through the block .

Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520090
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Has this been doing this for a while or just recently? Has the volume of coolant dropped?
I have the same system without issue.
Jamie

Re: small block overheating [Re: Jamie340] #520091
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Been doing it most of the season, have not seen any drop in fluid level. Once it gets hot it takes forever to cool it back down, checked plugs twice yesterday none of the cylinders running lean

Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520092
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Back the timing down a couple of degrees. notoly didmine run cooler but quicker. I was only tunning 35 total and went to 33.

Re: small block overheating [Re: MoparforLife] #520093
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Have you tried gutting yout t stat and leaving it in to slow the flow down.

I also run dual spals and with a t stat in with a crs pump it just didnt work, hot all the time.

Then I tin snipped the t stat and drilled t 1/8 inch holes.

Ive an al rad but 90% of the time I just need one fan.

Re: small block overheating [Re: quick77rt ] #520094
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I'm open to any suggestions on the overheating, thanks.

The announcer at the track yesterday called it the "blue-eyed Duster." Sox painted those lens blue for years. Clean the light, degrease it and spray with Candy Blue paint. The paint has to be candy top coat or it will be too thick. Then buff it like buffing candy paint.

That picture Hemiparts has at the beginning is priceless. When I have those guys, my son and my two grandsons, all at the track it is a good day if that car runs good or not. That little guy, standing on the cooler, is bound to have 114 as blood.

Re: small block overheating [Re: chris3] #520095
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A couple things I've tried on mine were to enrich idle mixture(but not so much you're cleaning plugs the first 330') and idle as slow as possible. Backing off initial timing could help if your engine combo would allow it.


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Re: small block overheating [Re: chris3] #520096
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Quote:

I'm open to any suggestions on the overheating, thanks.

The announcer at the track yesterday called it the "blue-eyed Duster." Sox painted those lens blue for years. Clean the light, degrease it and spray with Candy Blue paint. The paint has to be candy top coat or it will be too thick. Then buff it like buffing candy paint.

That picture Hemiparts has at the beginning is priceless. When I have those guys, my son and my two grandsons, all at the track it is a good day if that car runs good or not. That little guy, standing on the cooler, is bound to have 114 as blood.


With out a doubt - " priceless!" To visually check flow, run it with the cap off. You should see lots of coolant movement accross the fill neck hole. To make sure you don't have any radiator blockage, run your hand accross the front of the entire core area. It should be hot everywhere.


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Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520097
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I am very suspicious of the pump itself, could it be possible the impeller is not turning, or is loose? When you mentioned, that it takes a
long time cool, that is a mechanical issue. It reminds me of when I warm my car, leaving the pump off to build heat.
Just a thought.
Jamie
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Re: small block overheating [Re: hemiparts] #520098
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It might be a circulation problem..Every heating issue I have ever had with a big block was the radiator. Those engines just dont run hot.
The Moroso pump while not the best thing on the market does the job at the track.
Inspect the cooling system carefully.


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Re: small block overheating [Re: Bob_Coomer] #520099
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Update.

Took radiator cap off and turned the pump on appears to be a pretty fast rush of water across the top of the radiator core. Can feel the water running through the hoses.

Pressure tested the radiator cap, bought new in February, an 18 pound cap will not hold but 14 pounds of pressure before the pressure bleeds off.

Continuing on and will up date.

Re: small block overheating [Re: chris3] #520100
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Try a factory 18lb cap they will hold to near 18







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