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13.5 CR motors on E85 #513865
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So what are the reccomendations to run E85 with a 13.5 CR 512 stroker motor. Is it possible to run the pump E85 fuel or is it easier on the engine to buy VP E85.

What kind of changes need to be made. The dominator was done by Pro Systems for gasoline before so Ill send that off the Patrick for recalibration.

What about fuel pumps and other seals / hose in the system.

I know the car will run cooler so that will be a plus any other comments.....

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513866
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13.5 is just fine for the switch, just make sure your fuel system can deliver 30% more fuel than you would need with gasoline. Ethanol won't destroy rubber hoses as methanol would.
i'll be switching to e85 next year too, and already have the Dom carb converted...13.5 540 with way too small 440-1 heads.
around here, e85 is $4.50/gal. cheaper than race 110. and even with the 30% increase in fuel demand factored in, the money saved will add up quickly. like you say, the motor will run cooler too. it's a no brainer

Mr Pbody should chime in with some good advice...

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513867
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This was my second year running E85. 2008 with a carb, and 2009 with the Ron's Flying Toilet mechanical injection. I love it. Runs great, cheapest hot rod fuel around. It is slightly cheaper than pump 87 octane gas.

http://www.e85prices.com

My Combo:

4.250" stroke, 4.375" bore, 511 CID in a low deck 400 block
Indy 440-1 heads, 68cc, giving 13.5 CR
Indy 400-3 intake (single 4-barrel dominator)
Comp Cams solid lifter MM305S-10, 279/287, 0.650"/0.630", 110 LSA
2-1/8" x 32" x 4" collector headers

I only use summer grade E85, 82-85% ethanol. Ask the station owner for the delivery sheet to make sure the ethanol to gas percentage is right. Avoid the winter grade which could be as low as 70-75% (suitable for lower CR); and will also change the tune up needed.

You will need to deliver about 30% more fuel than gasoline, so make sure your system is up to it. Check this forum:

http://www.e85forum.com


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: jughed] #513868
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e85 is $4.50/gal. cheaper than race 110.







Wow!!!! It's only $2.19 here.... Better find a better source


13.5 is no problem with e 85 carb and fuel pump have to be able to handle alcohol. Also pump has to flow 1/3 more than before. Those are pretty much the only changes.


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Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513869
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on tip i give is to find your source for E85 and stick with that source. or test your content often. i just bought a drum so that i'll have enough to last. also i take plenty with me to the track.. if you are going out of town and not sure you brought enough for the long weekend research available stations before you leave.
i was told about this website and even seen it in a post on this site. it offers alot of good info.
www.raceone85.com
the guy that did my carb has done many e85 setups around here if you'd like his number pm me.

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: DemonDust] #513870
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e85 is $4.50/gal. cheaper than race 110.







Wow!!!! It's only $2.19 here.... Better find a better source





ooops

i meant that e85 is $4.50 a gallon cheaper THAN 110

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: jughed] #513871
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So how much E85 does it take to feed a 512 that made 700hp on the dyno. Carb is a 9375 Dominator.

How muc pump do you recommend and how big of a fuel line?

Thanks for the links and advice.

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513872
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So how much E85 does it take to feed a 512 that made 700hp on the dyno. Carb is a 9375 Dominator.

How muc pump do you recommend and how big of a fuel line?

Thanks for the links and advice.





Still takes 30% more fuel to make the same BTU as gas.
I run a 8896 1050 dom on my 405ci with 94 jets sq
but the bleeds are different than a gas set up...
I run a pair of Holley black 150s same as I did for gas

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #513873
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Thanks for the info Mr P body.

I am wondering how much this fuel will vary at the pump in the summer here in Illinois? I have seen a few testing kits for the fuel content or something like that.

Does anyone have experience testing the E85?

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513874
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Does anyone have experience testing the E85?



I test the E85 every time I buy it. Since I fill a 55 gallon drum every time at the pump, that is about twice a year. But before I buy it, I ask the station owner to show me the delivery sheets that list the number of gallons of ethanol and gasoline they put it.

Using the standard water test, I have always got batches between 82 and 85 percent. Always within 1 or so percent of what the delivery sheet showed.

Beware of other than summer grade E85, as it could be as low as 70% ethanol. That is bad for all mixture tuning, and really bad for high compression engines. I just happened to drive by the station today, and tested what they had. It was still 85%, but this station doesn't move very much E85 and doesn't get refilled every week or so like their gasoline tanks.

My 511 CID burns really close to 1.0 gallons per run. That includes driving to the staging lanes and back to my pit spot. On gasoline, it burned 0.7 per run and on methanol (alky) it burned about 1.5 gallons per run.


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Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: 440Jim] #513875
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One last question for now on the tune up for E85.

What heat range plug and total timing #s.

My distributor is locked.

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: PHJ426] #513876
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www.raceone85.com

seems like a good site.

and www.e85performance.net

I going to switch this winter ..trying learn all I can,

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: VernMotor] #513877
11/08/09 10:22 PM
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Jim, can you explain the proper procedure on how to do the test? And how much is the te$t kit?


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Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: ProSport] #513878
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Looks like Quick Fuel Technology is selling a kit here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/QUICK-FUE...id=200364597073

Re: 13.5 CR motors on E85 [Re: ProSport] #513879
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Jim, can you explain the proper procedure on how to do the test? And how much is the te$t kit?


The procedure is in this E85 Handbook, near the back in one of the appendices.

http://www.e85fuel.com/pdf/2008_e85_handbook.pdf







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