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Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? #507134
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Working on a '69 Super Bee 383. Have had a Mopar Performance Viscous Drive fan in the box for a while, wanted to install it. It won't fit. There is not enough clearance between the fan and the radiator. I checked my radiator #'s and it is the original, correct radiator. I also bought a shroud and brackets for the shroud, and it fabs up like it is supposed to. Looked through my service manual and can't figure out anything from it. Do I have the wrong fan? My part# is P4120758, and I can't find another one listed. The water pumps are all the same as far as length goes, so I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong.


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Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507135
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you didn't do anything wrong, nobody makes a correct clutch i have a 68 rr 383 and had to use a 89 jaguar clutch someone will chime in on the correct # you have to use the bushing thats included, on my demon 340 i used a clutch for a 79 sunbird 305 engine and it fit but it was a bit to long for the RR

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: ademon] #507136
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Strange that Mopar would sell a fan upgrade that won't fit.


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Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507137
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They dont fit, and neither does a parts store replacement.
They will probably fit the E body style cars..

There is a replacement clutch that does fit, it is just not listed for 68-70 Mopars....

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507138
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Mopar replacement fan clutch = 3.65" tall
Hayden part #2765 fan clutch = 2.58" tall
The only downside is that the hub holes are slotted.

Good luck,
Bob

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: radiatorman] #507139
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Thanks, with a part # I can probably fix it. I had one on my first Super Bee that I bought in '69 so I know that at one time they made the correct ones. Why don't they make them now?


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Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507140
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This has got me thinking now. I was thinking of installing a viscous fan on my 383. Will I have a problem finding one that fits?

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: basik] #507141
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I forgot to add that I see a viscous fan package in the Paddock catalog. It includes fan, clutch and hardware. Shouldn't this fit alright?

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: basik] #507142
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didnt fit my 66 newport

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: radiatorman] #507143
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Quote:

Mopar replacement fan clutch = 3.65" tall
Hayden part #2765 fan clutch = 2.58" tall
The only downside is that the hub holes are slotted.

Good luck,
Bob




Fit on my GTX perfectly

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: moparcanuk] #507144
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Fit on my '69 RR 383 and 440 upgrade

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: moparcanuk] #507145
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I had a thought yesterday about this problem, and that led me to my "spare parts pile" near my garage, the one my wife says I gotta clean up. I found 2 fans and viscous drive clutches that I had removed from a couple of engines that I bought last year. On one of them from a 440 the drive was identical to the Mopar replacement. It was also the same length. I found another that came off of a '72 400, and it was shorter by 3/4" and had different markings. It must be a Hayden, because as Radiatorman reported, the holes were slotted. It worked fine, fit is just right. Soon as I clean it up a little it will be ready to go. Only difference I saw was the bolt holes for the fan weren't as deep as the Mopar fan clutch. Oh yeah, I couldn't wait to tell the Warden that having that pile of junk saved me some money. If I could find a pair of earrings out there I will be good for another year.

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Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507146
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The Hayden clutch fan works fine..
Our solution was to shop for a TRW FC28, this was a short height (2 3/4") Mopar replacement part. Also it had the 4 holes rather than the universal slots. Check out some of the swap meets thats where we found ours, still in the OE box...

Just my $0.015...

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: Sinitro] #507147
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Years ago, aboiut 1997, I got the MP kit and it fit a 69 RR no problem. That car had a 22 inch rad.


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Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: SomeCarGuy] #507148
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some may fit if its still a stock 2 core, but when going to a 3 or 4 core that when the problems start.

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: ademon] #507149
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Shortest Mopar clutch you will find,2 1/4".

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Although yours is shorter than mine(couldn't resist) that is the less desireable torque limiting clutch, the 2965 is a thermal. Just some info incase you didn't know.

Bob

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Quote:

Although yours is shorter than mine(couldn't resist) that is the less desireable torque limiting clutch, the 2965 is a thermal. Just some info incase you didn't know.

Bob




Less desireable only unless it a 2806070,then get your wallet out.

Re: Clearance Problem with Viscous Fan-What's Wrong? [Re: tact1] #507152
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I put the Mopar P4120758 viscous fan package on my '69 Bee (383, 22" radiator - after market 3 row) with no problems. Fan # is 4140063. The clutch is 1/2" from the radiator, the fan blades are 1" from the radiator.

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Quote:

Quote:

Although yours is shorter than mine(couldn't resist) that is the less desireable torque limiting clutch, the 2965 is a thermal. Just some info incase you didn't know.

Bob




Less desireable only unless it a 2806070,then get your wallet out.




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