Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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I need more traction in my 73 Abody 340. I am spinning for waaaaay to long coming out of the hole. I have new HD springs from JohnRSpring, very stiff torsion bars, no subframe connectors and no traction aids. Car has 727 and 8 3/4 3.23 sure-grip. I need a relatively cheap way to get some traction Would a MP adjustable pinion snubber help? 
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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NO It was made so when a HEMI 4 speed left the line it would give it a good tool to kick the back seat cushion out NO pinion snubber has ever helped with traction--they help keep the rear end housing pointed in the correct direction in some odd circumstances--Get yourself some Caltracs or easier and cheaper yet--get a used cheapo set of 002 003 SS springs ( don't get ANY other number ) put them on a have fun--tune with shocks from there--worn out longer shocks from big C bodys work great on the rear and plain worn out fronts will do great--Competition Engineering shocks are for proping doors open with do not be tempted to buy any bogus 90-10 BS either If you are serious about it QA-1's out back with 3 -4 clicks in them and Koni Spa-1 up front set to easiest to pull apart---318 or slant 6 torsion bars---and NO SNUBBERS Whew! Thats all I got for now  My Duster would 60ft 1.41 with a 360 and that set up--good enough to grab some pretty big air
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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Maybe your leaf springs are too stiff. On my 340 duster I installed the SS type springs from a 67 R/T. Used the dusters main leaf & second leaf, then added all but the main leaf from the RT. Was too stiff, the tires spun with even moderate acceleration. Took the second duster leaf out, so only had duster main leaf and the RT leafs, worked GREAT. Both tires spun short distance in first/second gear even without tracloc rear end.
Did have the battery in the trunk. hope this is of some use.
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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Chrysler spent about $one million of 1967 money to design SS springs so they would KILL the competition--you adding--subtracting leaves is crazy--snubbers "unload" the rear---when you see a car at the strip jumping like Flipper it is hooking then unloading with its fancy snubber--when a Mopar HOOKS the body rises and the pinion ( and the rear) are planted toward the ground and the body goes UP so the snubber is a mile away from the floor---a snubber keeps the ujoint from breaking when a stock suspension is hammered and WAY over angled by a street jockey--factory Mopar rear springs only job was to keep the rear of the car off the pavement---a set of 002 003 can be had here for $125 because everyone wants Caltracs and have a set in the shop--SS springs work best with GREAT shocks which no one ever bothers with so yea...Caltracs are easier and work great---but a proper set up with SS's is amazing
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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10/21/09 01:57 PM
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The rear end rotates up. That is why the snubber hits the floor on launch. That forces the tire down and the body up. Good for the occasional racer. Caltarcs are fine if it's a race only car but not user friendly on the street.
When I had SS springs, the car 60 footed better WITHOUT the snubber. This was running mid 10s in the 1/4. If everything is working like it's supposed to, the snubber is useless.
If you think Cal-Tracs aren't user friendly on the street then you must not have any experience w/ them. They ride better than SS springs and I haven't touched mine in over 5 years.
I think the OP needs to invest in some sticky tires.  CHIP
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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This is a 95% street car that will quarter occasionally. Mild 340 with 10.5 trw's, pocket ported 2.02's, air-gap, 770 street avenger holley, MP 280/.474 cam, stock 340 convertor, 727/ 3.23 suregrip. Wanted to slap in my 3.91's but no way I could do that now! I'm sure some sticky tires would help, of course I have a brand new set of Cooper Cobra 255/60/15 on there now.  Are there stickier tires that will last relatively long?  I really like corners too, so I am not going to go with 6 cylinder torsion bars. I do have some QA-1 front shocks that I will be putting on in the future, but I suspect that I will find that what is good for handling will not be good for launches and vice-versa. Perhaps adding a 1" carb spacer will move my torque band up a bit. Not exactly the way I wanted to address this, but...
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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This is a 95% street car that will quarter occasionally. Mild 340 with 10.5 trw's, pocket ported 2.02's, air-gap, 770 street avenger holley, MP 280/.474 cam, stock 340 convertor, 727/ 3.23 suregrip. Wanted to slap in my 3.91's but no way I could do that now!
I'm sure some sticky tires would help, of course I have a brand new set of Cooper Cobra 255/60/15 on there now.
Are there stickier tires that will last relatively long?
I really like corners too, so I am not going to go with 6 cylinder torsion bars. I do have some QA-1 front shocks that I will be putting on in the future, but I suspect that I will find that what is good for handling will not be good for launches and vice-versa.
Perhaps adding a 1" carb spacer will move my torque band up a bit. Not exactly the way I wanted to address this, but...
Go with an adjustable pinion snubber and maybe clamp the front half of the spring pack together. When you wanna go to the track, raise the snubber up to about 1" from the floor. Around town, drop it down. Cheapest and easiest way to go and it will be plenty for your set up.
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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Take the clamps off the rear section of the springs,add a clamp to the front section,get a pinion snubber and some drag shocks..thats all thats on my "street" duster..low 1.40's 60's.....  ..oh some drag radials too...
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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10/21/09 06:13 PM
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stock pinion snubbers work fine with stock suspension. Them old Road Runners and GTX's hooked up just fine from the factory. For what you want to do with the car i agree go with an adjustable if your car sits any higher then stock. If it sits stock height don't need adjustable snubber. I've owned over 40 68 and 69 B Body car's, all big block mostly 4 speed. I've never had one with rear floor bashed in from a snubber. Granted if you build a 600 horse motor that might dent the floor on a good lunch. Them good old B Bodies were running in the 12's back in the day all stock with a good tuning on bias ply tires. Mother mopar designed it and built it just right.
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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go check out the worlds fastest super stock. a 69 Hemi cuda. Factory SS/hemi Car use's a pionon snubber with clamps removed from back half of springs. Watched that car run an 8.60 off the trailler at english town.
The world's fastest SS hemis are the SS/AH cars and they are definitely not running SS springs and snubbers. CHIP
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Need traction - pinion snubber for stock suspension?
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I used about 4 rolls of black electrical tape and tightly wrapped the front sections of my rear springs. No clamps on the rear sections. After the race, cut off with one swoop of the pocket knife.
My 65 Dart GT would lift the front and squat the rear breifly then lift the rear and stay up. No see-sawing. Just HD replacement stock springs, 4.10 open gears, and D60 13's. DaveJ
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