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If you want to beat your chests and watch fights, go to the General Section and play with the penguins.

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Or Trashed or Be Trashed on yellowbullet!

The fighting to me comes from the "bigshots" going back n forth I for one enjoy listening to both sides..... If you take a post offensive YOUR the problem....

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I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.

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i think i fall into this category. there's a lot of misinformation thrown out there on this site, probably for a number of reasons. i used to post on a lot of those threads, but it seems like all it did was cause more problems and waste a lot of time. sometimes people don't know how to "receive", only how to talk. i don't know everything and i'm not afraid to admit it, but with over 30 years of building racing engines, i do know alittle bit.
there's also a lot of great information sharing at times, and i soak up what i can when i have the time to really go through each thread topic.
i spend a great deal of time answering questions and quoting prices via PM and e-mail, yet i would estimate that less than 2% of my business actually comes from Moparts members. as was metioned, too often people just want the information on what to buy so they can find the absolute lowest price on parts or shipping. times are tough for everybody, but i wish some of the folks who call me at 9:00 p.m. for advice would realize i need to make a living too. our prices are very competitive but i've lost sales over less than 5 bucks numerous times. go figure. i guess the 45 minutes i spent on the phone or answering the numerous PM's isn't worth anything, not even a couple of bucks.
finally, we've all seen the number of very knowledgeable people stop posting over the years. i've seen a bunch of them get attacked for simply posting the truth about certain topics. i've been an example of that myself. so what it comes down to is, why bother to set yourself up.
i'd love to see some of those guys come back, but i'm not going to hold my breath.
i know if Gary was still with us, a lot of the garbage that gets posted would get moved out of the race forum very quickly. no need to cite examples, you know what i'm talking about. that stuff is fine for other sites and i wish that's where it would go.
there's plenty more i'd like to say, but in the end all i'd do is upset some folks. i guess there's no need to go down that road.

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In response to the different opinions in Al’s Turd post, I wanted to express this because it really got me thinking. I agree with Al. There is a very large group on here who really know their stuff, mostly from experience and trial and error. Billy, Al, Wayne, Dram and OU8 immediately come to mind, but are only a handful of great racers, wrenchers and tuners that are part of UNLAWFUL. You are the guys that racers, like myself, look to for advice and guidance. So to all of you, please do not take personal any rebuttal another member makes. Racers have achieved great results, many by utilizing unconventional methods and two entirely different paths may have achieved the same result, be it good or bad.

In this day of the WEB, because without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., etc., one cannot really discern the context of the comment one gives while banging on a keyboard. When one types, they type to get an idea or thought across and sometimes some of that gets lost in the process. So PLEASE give one another the benefit of the doubt, take it all with a grain of salt, get clarification before flying off the deep end. I for one, and I am sure I speak for many of the new racers, would really hate to lose anymore great mentors due to pride, ego and mostly a misunderstanding.

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In this day of the WEB, because without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc., etc., one cannot really discern the context of the comment one gives while banging on a keyboard. When one types, they type to get an idea or thought across and sometimes some of that gets lost in the process. So PLEASE give one another the benefit of the doubt, take it all with a grain of salt, get clarification before flying off the deep end.

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This is the most perfectly stated observation I've seen in a LOOOONG time. I've said this many times, both here and even with my family in dealings with friends via email. Even with people you know well, sometimes the REAL meaning of a statement can get lost in a typed communication, so definately talk with people before you allow yourself to be offended. Thanks Ted.
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There are a handful of "racers" on here that just like to hear themselves talk about how fast they are, how good they are, how fast they are going to go ( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc

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If my lack of any recent "racing" and only infrequent test & tune results post falls into this category, so be it. These days that's about all I can contribute...

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It seems like there are alot that agree with some of what I have said. If the individuals that "like" drama, want drama, then bullet is their cup of tea!! This site does not have to be boring or uneventful, as we all like the juicy details. However, respect and a bit of open minded tolerance go a long way. Everyone wants to be taken seriously and feel their input is worth the time they invested into sharing it, this should be considered by all. My point was not to call anyone out but rather to implore we treat each other and each other’s opinion with consideration, if not respect. After all we are all racers, mopar enthusiasts and I would like to think friends brought together by a common bond.

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This post is one of the best I have read in awhile that was not tech related, as far as the tech stuff, it seem's that there is more crap than tech anymore, used to get straight answer's before, now it seem's people get pissy if you don't agree with them and are quick to put you in your place, (or so they think), I have learned alot here and met a lot of member's that I now concider friend's, the biggest thing I miss is the builder's, machinist and assembler's of great car's that at one time were very willing to freely give information to help guy's like me get thru a problem now it's hard to get a straight answer from someone that really know's, I guess some people aren't happy unless they are stirring up a stink

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( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc

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I better check my sig times, ...

OK, I don't currently have my -900 ft DA time of 9.12 in there, I was worried you were talking about me. But I thought the "BEST" time slip was the best time slip?

And I bought my Callies crank and connecting rods from Dan.

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Excellent post Ted. I for one dont post too much anymore for some of these reasons you mention. I can guarantee you I have quite a bit of knowledge in drag racing, but sometimes you get sick of arguing with people that just dont want to listen. I also agree there can be more than one way to achieve a result. It seems to be an almost "automatic" response by many on here to argue, complain, attack, belittle and so forth any comment that they dont agree ( and more often probably dont understand) with. Its the exchange of knowledge that makes a site like this worthwhile. Its a fool who speaks first and listens second I have a saying I use all the time...." Listen to what I am not telling you". You think about that, and it may start to make some sense. Its not the information that everyone blats out, its the information that people DONT speak about that is often important. That is typically where the answers are.

I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.

There are a handful of "racers" on here that just like to hear themselves talk about how fast they are, how good they are, how fast they are going to go ( typically only posting their -800' DA runs) etc etc and seem to only be concerned with their own achievements.I realize we can choose to read their comments or not, and I am one that doesnt waste my time anymore reading their internet garbage. They need their own sites to attack each other on. I would prefer that the forum contains real tech information, like I think it was meant to be. To watch these guys argue back and forth about who is going to beat who ( but they never for some reason ever seem to be at the same race...lol) is useless.

You typically notice the racers that are really achieving something rarely post anything. They are busy getting better, racing real races, going rounds etc. I feel bad for the people that truely do come on to try and fix or solve a problem, learn something new and get advice from the seasoned veterans that DO have soething to add.
Typically they get over run and self imposed experts run them off.

There are some very good racers on here with some experience but I think they just dont care to comment, only to end up getting attacked or challenged about everything they say.

Again, I think your post and comments are right on. Good advice for all to consider.

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"I would perfer the forum contains real tech information,like I think it was ment to be." This forum is by far the "clickiest" on moparts. Many that frequent this forum have for some reason attached linkage to running in the 9's and being a real drag racer and true lover of the sport. Strange. About half the threads contain tech info. The rest - mostly self indulging crap. I frequent this and the "Q&A" forum to gleen what tech info I can and share when I can. Considerable more good tech info on the "Q&A" forum. I would think it should be the other way around, at least for the highly tecnnical issues. Aint so.

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I would perfer the forum contains real tech information,like I think it was ment to be." This forum is by far the "clickiest" on moparts. Many that frequent this forum have for some reason attached linkage to running in the 9's and being a real drag racer and true lover of the sport. Strange. About half the threads contain tech info. The rest - mostly self indulging crap. I frequent this and the "Q&A" forum to gleen what tech info I can and share when I can. Considerable more good tech info on the "Q&A" forum. I would think it should be the other way around, at least for the highly tecnnical issues. Aint so.

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I know many of the builders and shops on here both past and present, as well as many of the racers. Believe me when I tell you, there is a LOT of information that doesnt get posted, as well as a lot of MIS information that doesnt get corrected. The true professionals rarely comment. They are sick of fighting over trivial items. They are also exhausted from talking to members for hours and hours on the phones, hours and hours of typed emails, only to have the person go buy their parts from some "discounter" on Ebay, or some wholesaler who cant even begin to answer their questions due to lack of experience or real world data. Members should keep that in mind when making their purchases. Deal with the folks that help you out, and maybe forget about saving $2.00 on shipping. Just my experience and observations. It happened to me all the time and I too finally gave up. Its a different perspective I guess, that I wish some would consider.

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i think i fall into this category. there's a lot of misinformation thrown out there on this site, probably for a number of reasons. i used to post on a lot of those threads, but it seems like all it did was cause more problems and waste a lot of time. sometimes people don't know how to "receive", only how to talk. i don't know everything and i'm not afraid to admit it, but with over 30 years of building racing engines, i do know alittle bit.
there's also a lot of great information sharing at times, and i soak up what i can when i have the time to really go through each thread topic.
i spend a great deal of time answering questions and quoting prices via PM and e-mail, yet i would estimate that less than 2% of my business actually comes from Moparts members. as was metioned, too often people just want the information on what to buy so they can find the absolute lowest price on parts or shipping. times are tough for everybody, but i wish some of the folks who call me at 9:00 p.m. for advice would realize i need to make a living too. our prices are very competitive but i've lost sales over less than 5 bucks numerous times. go figure. i guess the 45 minutes i spent on the phone or answering the numerous PM's isn't worth anything, not even a couple of bucks.
finally, we've all seen the number of very knowledgeable people stop posting over the years. i've seen a bunch of them get attacked for simply posting the truth about certain topics. i've been an example of that myself. so what it comes down to is, why bother to set yourself up.
i'd love to see some of those guys come back, but i'm not going to hold my breath.
i know if Gary was still with us, a lot of the garbage that gets posted would get moved out of the race forum very quickly. no need to cite examples, you know what i'm talking about. that stuff is fine for other sites and i wish that's where it would go.
there's plenty more i'd like to say, but in the end all i'd do is upset some folks. i guess there's no need to go down that road.

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I post as much and maybe more info as I do humor. There have ben times when I myself learned a great deal more on a subject by trying to help the other guy.
Much like your local neighborhood tavern this forum has a diversified group of people. Much like the tavern not everyone will agree on a subject . There are times when I can read a post and know by the second reply it's going to get ugly. Some people don't play well with others. there are some that have a very thin skin and take everything personal.

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My experience has taught me to recognize that many of the posters here are young guys 17-25 years old who think they already know everything there is to know, even if they have never changed the points in a distributor before.

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I used to think I knew a lot until I started reading threads on here.

I have changed points though.

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keeping this section stricly on dry technical reading....doesnt apeeal to me...at all.
i can get that from any good tech book...
tech is just that tech.
we arent building cookie cutter widgets here..
so rarely are two combo's exactly the same.
its the human feed back..and real world input/output that makes forums like this truely great..
i also find it more enjoyable that way.
the soap opera parts i just personally edit out.
or steer around..
its not that hard to do. really....
plus its way better than the old options we used to have...magazines and print media..
we all just need to learn to keep our "filters" on when we use the net.. ...so to speek..
its the P/C mentality.that creates the thin skin......
. My grandfather used to tell me..."I like stew with real chunks of meat and veggies and the more the better...it puts meat on your bones.
the other stuff is just hot water"
cheers
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Annecdotal reports are the most fun thing about this site..or any site for enthusiasts. That combined with expert advice is what makes this site rock. For that reason it is the envy of most other moparts wannabes, IMHO.

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what are points?

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they set way up high and firm thought everybody knew that.

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well i must need to change mine then.i think they are wore out.not so high or firm anymore....

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Two good posts here, that reflect the impressions of many. Nobody knows it all, but there are some here, who TRULY know a lot, and many here, who THINK they know a lot. Posting here can be difficult at times, as some just take every opportunity to jump on and argue, whether they are correct or not. Knowledgeable people get tired of defending themselves and just eventually quit posting, or cut way back. Most don't take it personally, but it does get old, so whats the point.

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I think some people are taking this way out of context. Nobody is saying you can't joke around and get a little off subject here and there. But bickering and taking jabs at someone like a 2nd grader is just ridiculous. I believe that is what the biggest problem is. I'm as thick skinned as anyone out there. I don't care what anyone thinks of me but I'm not gonna get in an elementary argument with someone that just wants to argue for the hell of it. Its not a problem of being offended or getting hurt feelings. Its a problem with most of us don't have time for the bullshit!

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I think there are some very good people that offer help here,there are some that add a little humor and sometimes a little friendly banter back and forth.It's definately not boring.It's when some want to argue,belittle, and demean others,that it becomes an issue of disrespect and a display of ignorance.That part is unnecessary and serves no purpose.This site doesn't have to be strait laced,we can enjoy each others opinions,knowledge and humor with out being offensive.I always enjoy post from guys like HemiFred and Wild Bill and others that add color and interest to their response and enjoy their post.Even Boomer in his own twisted humor is entertaining.