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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: bluthndr]
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10/09/09 02:10 AM
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St. Charles, MO
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As many guys as are selling cars right now, you would probably be money ahead getting a decent deal on something closer to "finished", whatever you decide you want, be it race car or street car, or whatever. Ant then putting your personal touches on it. Car sounds like it needs a lot, no matter what route you go, and the $ you sell it for almost never covers what you had to put into it.  But I don't want to be a wet blanket--if you're set on      then go for it.
1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 383 A4
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 440 FC7 (sold)
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
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10/09/09 02:23 AM
10/09/09 02:23 AM
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SW Michigan
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...the money spent just keeps piling up and I am doing all the work myself and don't forget about all the tools you will need
and a place to do it in.
Tools and place to do it are all here anyways. Would just have to buy I-beams and/or something for a nice sturdy surface plate-type work surface.
Right now the car is on a blackhawk "frame jig" that pinches the pinch welds and has it's own 1" tube frame. The jig is on jackstands with only the the dash, column, K-member, and front and rear glass in it. Other than that it is just a tub with no trunk floor and about 50% rotted rear frame rails (good ones out of a donor car are sitting on the floor next to it, but...).
I have no front sheet metal for the car. I sold what stuff was there since new is now available, and the fenders on it were marginal '70 fenders (needed bucket and gills at the least). I do have a nice front valance ('71 only) panel for it. I will/would need to get fenders, grill, "t-bar", and hood, but it looks like 'glass or steel is easy enough to come by (but 'glass is less) 
Floor pans need some small patches in front, but the little stuff in mostly there. It was a pretty complete car when I bought it (trim, interior, little things all there) but had been robbed for a significant number of front end sheetmetal parts.
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: wingman]
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10/09/09 02:40 AM
10/09/09 02:40 AM
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SW Michigan
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As many guys as are selling cars right now, you would probably be money ahead getting a decent deal on something closer to "finished", whatever you decide you want, be it race car or street car, or whatever. Ant then putting your personal touches on it.
Car sounds like it needs a lot, no matter what route you go, and the $ you sell it for almost never covers what you had to put into it.
But I don't want to be a wet blanket--if you're set on then go for it.
My first reaction is to acknowledge that you are right, and to a large extent you are, but in my travels as a Snap-On man, I service some restoration shops.
Part of why I bought the car this way, is because I watched people, time after time, buy what they thought was a "nice" finished car, brought it in to one of the shops for something minor (trunk alignment, spot in the paint, door/body gap) and watch their 30,000 to 50,000 car need another 20-30K to make it "right".  It really was staggering to see how many times people ran into this.
I am sad to say I saw this a LOT more often than not - to lots of people, types of cars and different ways they were aquired. The whole Barret Jackson craze got a LOT of people to throw a parts car together, shoot some paint on it, and sell it off. There is a TON of that stuff out there - way more than anyone ever could have convinced me of had I not seen it myself. I remember a 56 Chevy Belaire 'vert that came in for a fender and engine compartment paint, and left with only the floor and one door it came in with. Also saw a Pontiac Trans Am that needed the trunk gap fixed on one side, and needed EVERYTHING behind the doors replaced! Just two of many.
Anyways, stuff like that made me decide I would rather buy a cheap "junker" and put the money into it, rather than buy something better and take my chances at doubling down...
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: jrlegacy23]
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10/09/09 02:56 AM
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If your into the diesels... then why not a Cummins Turbo Cuda
You are not the first person to say that. Believe me, 5.9L diesels rock (I have 3 including my freightliner - one which was a swap from a gas engine). Most powerful vehicles I have ever driven were a 2001 Dodge Viper, a heavily modded 2001 Cummins truck, and my blue 98 truck (avatar). No joke. On the freeway they seem to have limitless power, but 1000+ ft lbs will do that.
Aside from that, weight (front suspension issues), hood height (Cummins engines are super tall), and I guess kind of been there done that (still like it though).
I just REALLY have wanted to try and build a twin turbo, single digit, pump gas car. My intention is either to have this car be that, or provide funding (as a sold resto job) for a similar race car B-body.
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: bluthndr]
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10/09/09 05:12 AM
10/09/09 05:12 AM
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Netherlands
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Why not truning it into a HemiCuda clone, only with something like a 572 pumpgas Hemi in it? Best of both world...hemicuda clone and single digit pumpgas dragweek racer as you mentioned.
Can be done, my street/strip car was a full weight streetable Challenger powered by a 528 pumpgas hemi having no problems running mid 10's while having a relatively mild flat tappet cam in it. More cubes and a roller would have given 9's. It's now al going into a lightweight race-only Challenger shooting for low 9's.
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: bluthndr]
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10/11/09 06:19 AM
10/11/09 06:19 AM
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Eastern WA
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I just REALLY have wanted to try and build a twin turbo, single digit, pump gas car. My intention is either to have this car be that, or provide funding (as a sold resto job) for a similar race car B-body.
As others here have said, you'll never get near the $$$ for all the parts and labor you'll have into a resto - not to mention the time it will take to do the resto then sell it before you get to that B-Body if that's where you're headed. I think first you have to decide what you really want (E or B-Body). Unless you have a clear vision of what your ultimate ride is going to be, you're just spinning your wheels (pardon the pun). I am where you are but to the 'N'th degree. I have multiple A-Bodys on the property and numerous engine blocks, rods sets, cams, heads, valve springs, pistons, etc., all just waiting to be put together - and no end in sight for any of it. I'm addressing my nightmare this winter.
If I can help you avoid the anxiety that goes with my indecision, take some time to reflect on what YOU envision, what you really want, then plan your work and work your plan.
There are a number of folks on this site that can provide excellent advice but, in the end, you are the one who ultimately has to make (and live with) the decision.
Best wishes for which ever way you go.
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: Bigcube]
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10/11/09 08:39 AM
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Netherlands
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9's (define 9's...) can't be a problem. Mine was approx 3750lbs (only had fibreglass hood) at the time it ran mid 10's with only the 528ci, flat tappet cam and single 4bbl. If I changed it for a roller, tunnel etc. it could get me the 9's but I went the 4-speed and later race only (still 4-speed) route instead.
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Re: Restomod, back half, or tube chassis barracuda?
[Re: B1Fish540]
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10/11/09 10:56 AM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
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It sounds like the back half would be the way to go, do it street/strip so resale could be offered to a wider group of buyers. Doing a rusto resto with original and aftermarket pieces is time and more money consuming than a simple back half and tin. Ladder bar and coil overs would be the easiest to do. If you got the equipment go for it. 
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