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N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Here’s what I know about N96 Challengers. I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT 100% ACCURATE DUE TO THE RECORD KEEPING THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE DAY. In 1970 there were the following: 184 Total 164 R/T’s, 15 R/T SE’s, and 5 R/T Convertibles The ONLY engines could be the 383, 440-4, 440-6, or 426 Hemi There are NO R/T’s with a 340 in 1970 In 1971 there were the following: 224 Total 72 JH non R/T (340 or 383) 11 JH Convertibles (no R/T converts in 1971) 39 R/T Small Block (340) 102 R/T Big Block (383, 440-6, or 426 Hemi) There are three different Challenger Shaker Hoods Early 1970 (Before early to mid October, 1969) with NO crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem Late 1970 (after April 15th) and 1971 with crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem Late 1971 (or more likely over the counter part) with crush zones but NO raised boss for triangle emblem There seems to be NO 1970 N96 Challengers known to exist that were built between October 11th, 1969 and April 15th, 1970. I have seen a few examples but they NEVER have a Broadcast Sheet or Documentation. I have a fairly large database of N96 Challengers and I’m always looking for more information. If you own one please contact me so I can add yours! Daniel Banker Cocoa, FL 321-427-6392 dbbker@cs.com
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Hi Daniel, Thanks for this GREAT info.I ordered a 70 Challenger spring of 1970, R/T 440-6 super trac pac with a Shaker Hood. Guess what,it came without the Shaker Hood.  I had a fight with the salesman and he told me that he could not get that hood.Wish he told me that before I ordered the car. Bob
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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There seems to be NO 1970 N96 Challengers known to exist that were built between October 11th, 1969 and April 15th, 1970. I have seen a few examples but they NEVER have a Broadcast Sheet or Documentation.
Here's a possible explanation: My 70 Challenger dealer coding guide, dated 10-69, does not list N96. It must have been added to the option list at a later date.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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There are several N96 Challengers built between the start of the production year (August 1st) and October 10th. The problem was the early hoods didn't have the crush zones and it wasn't until mid April until they got hoods that did.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Daniel I have a figure that 48 1971 Challengers sold new in Canada got a shaker hood. I also use to collect a lot of 1970 Hemi Challenger information and from memory there were 5 cars that got shaker hoods between Mid Oct. till April 10 when production was to begin again. If I remember correctly there were 3 in Dec. and 2 in Feb.The Dec. cars were two on one day and one on another around the 5-6th.The Feb.cars were on the 21st or 22nd. build date. I use to have around 175 1970 Hemi Challenger serial numbers collected that included both R/Ts and R/T-S/Es and another 13 Real Hemi Challenger Convt serial numbers along with 5 fakes.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Daniel I have a figure that 48 1971 Challengers sold new in Canada got a shaker hood. I also use to collect a lot of 1970 Hemi Challenger information and from memory there were 5 cars that got shaker hoods between Mid Oct. till April 10 when production was to begin again. If I remember correctly there were 3 in Dec. and 2 in Feb.The Dec. cars were two on one day and one on another around the 5-6th.The Feb.cars were on the 21st or 22nd. build date. I use to have around 175 1970 Hemi Challenger serial numbers collected that included both R/Ts and R/T-S/Es and another 13 Real Hemi Challenger Convt serial numbers along with 5 fakes.
What ever happend to Pete Haldiman's FC7 70 Hemi Challenger. IIRC, Pete put a shaker on it but it wasn't original. Car was on the cover of Hot Rod Magazine with a bikini clad girl hanging out the window. It was a no-tip turn down exhaust car, black int, console auto, rallyes, no stripes, no vinyl top.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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from memory there were 5 cars that got shaker hoods between Mid Oct. till April 10 when production was to begin again. If I remember correctly there were 3 in Dec. and 2 in Feb.The Dec. cars were two on one day and one on another around the 5-6th.The Feb.cars were on the 21st or 22nd. build date.
That's very interesting. I have never seen a single 1970 Challenger N96 car built between 10-11-69 and 4-14-70 that had a Broadcast Sheet or Window Sticker to back it up. I'm not saying that there were none built, rather I'd love to find out if there are any out there that are legit.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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There seems to be NO 1970 N96 Challengers known to exist that were built between October 11th, 1969 and April 15th, 1970
Mine 1970 N96 was REALLY close, only one day later,,, Broadcast sheet April 16th 1970 and Fender tag April 16th 1970.
I wish someone would post more information on the SHAKER cars. Thanks for the info also.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Great post, Daniel! I think you have all of the info on mine, but it is a 71 R/T, 383, 4-speed, FC7, white stripe and interior, no console, shaker, wing, and 3.91 axle package.
Maybe this should be a picture thread... here's mine. Not much to look at, but I love it anyway!
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I really appreciate having someone like you around to answer another Shaker question. IF a 70 Challenger had a Shaker hood, would it ALWAYS have an N96 designation on the fender tag?
I would say yes. It's very possible that it was a dealer added thing, or maybe the original owner added it early on. Now if you had a Broadcast Sheet of Window Sticker that said N96...Then who knows? There is no certainty in the world of Mopar Muscle Cars.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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There's at least 3 71 Challenger shaker convertibles in Ontario that are not included in the 11...
Alan, Why is it that they wouldn't be part of the 11? Is there any documentation that Canadian cars weren't part of these production numbers that have been around forever? Please do not forget that I am the first to admit that these numbers are probably not written in stone.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I have alway been told that the production figures you quoted Daniel were USA only.I was told this by Chrysler Historical back in the late Seventies.That is why I put up those numbers for the Canadian 1971 Challengers.Alan and I agree the figures for Canadian cars are not in the USA production figures and he is right there are atleast 3 1971 Convt. Challengers with shakers in Ontario.I know of one Export 1971 Hemi Challenger with a Shaker also,so that would also not he in those USA figures.This is like stating Hemi Production numbers for 1971 Challengers. 70-71 1971 Hemi Challengers sold new in the USA there is a question of just how many exactly by one car because it is amassed of a percentage of cars. 5 1971 Hemi Challengers sold new in Canada, know to be correct. 2 know export 1971 Hemi Challengers.That would make either 77 or 78 total 1971 Hemi Challengers known but the USA production figures state 70or 71 Hemi Challenger built.
Daniel I am not sure if I still have the information about what cars exactly got the shaker hoods in Dec and Feb. I believe I have sent a list of 1970 Hemi Challengers,serial numbers only that I collected from 1977 till about 1992 to Ola Niellson for his registery.I can try to see if I can find that list and send it to you if you like,not sure if you still are into that 1970 Hemi Challenger stuff since you sold your wheels.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Daniel, Nice info! I wish I had my 71 sixpack 4spd, shaker, challenger. EW1 black interior/stripe. Now my buddy owns it..
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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12/08/07 11:14 AM
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If you have a N96 on your data tag - you got a shaker hood. If no N96 - no shaker, unless broadcast sheet over-rides. That would be very uncommon. Are there any documented cases of this happening - specifically N96 related. The firewall hole can always be drilled. Probably best to put a rallye hood back on that hemi car. 
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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If you have a N96 on your data tag - you got a shaker hood. If no N96 - no shaker, unless broadcast sheet over-rides. That would be very uncommon. Are there any documented cases of this happening - specifically N96 related.
The firewall hole can always be drilled.
Probably best to put a rallye hood back on that hemi car.
I have a N96 challenger that has no hood code on the fender tag but is coded for N96 on the broadcast sheets. Not all cars from the Hamtramck plant had hood codes (J54 or N96) on the fender tags. Without a broadcast sheet or window sticker theres no way to know for sure.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Bill, I learn something new everday  Do you have the SPB from your broadcast sheet or fender tag Thanks Bob
Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17
(Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)
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Bob, the SPD is 8/10/70
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Bob, the SPD is 8/10/71
That would be a '72 HEMI Challenger??? 
If it is 8/10/70, is it a red '71 4-speed car?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I'm not really into E's, but Shaker Challengers are SO COOL !!!!
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Bob, the SPD is 8/10/71
That would be a '72 HEMI Challenger???
If it is 8/10/70, is it a red '71 4-speed car?
Thanks for the correction  no its not a hemi car
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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12/08/07 03:18 PM
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Bob, the SPD is 8/10/71
That would be a '72 HEMI Challenger???
If it is 8/10/70, is it a red '71 4-speed car?
Thanks for the correction no its not a hemi car
So....it is an EV2 340 "promo" car.
For whatever reason these cars weren't coded for the SHAKER hood, last minute change?
Not surprisingly that '71 Challengers such as your car exist.
Is it because of the cars "promo" status ("M" - VON?) that it doesn't have "N96" on the fender tag, as is the case for most of the "promo" GY3 440-6bbl '71 'Cudas (SHAKER & no "N96")?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Probably best to put a rallye hood back on that hemi car.
Would he need a rallye hood without the crush zones?
the shaker with the crush zones would have to be wrong as December is too early for that right?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I'm not familiar with EV2 340 "promo" cars? Mine does not have an M in the VON it's a Canadian car and has a B.
yes, please explain more about the letters that can appear at the front of the VON.
Tav
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I'm not familiar with EV2 340 "promo" cars? Mine does not have an M in the VON it's a Canadian car and has a B.
yes, please explain more about the letters that can appear at the front of the VON.
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B - Canada
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12/09/07 01:31 AM
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B - Canada
C - Canada
E - Export
K - Special Order
M0 - Show Car
M9 - Sunroof Car
Q - Public Relations - Exec.Lease
T - Chry. Lease
It depends at times on the model year and package codes actually. Most AARs are M0.... cars, but it just means "sales bank" not show car as one example. 
In most cases with cars with a letter VON prefix you need to know the Y codes to decifer the meaning.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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B - Canada
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It depends at times on the model year and package codes actually. Most AARs are M0.... cars, but it just means "sales bank" not show car as one example.
In most cases with cars with a letter VON prefix you need to know the Y codes to decifer the meaning.
I agree, you summed it up better than I did
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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B - Canada
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E - Export
K - Special Order
M0 - Show Car
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Q - Public Relations - Exec.Lease
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It depends at times on the model year and package codes actually. Most AARs are M0.... cars, but it just means "sales bank" not show car as one example.
In most cases with cars with a letter VON prefix you need to know the Y codes to decifer the meaning.
I had noticed that most of the trans am cars I looked at had a VON that started with MO. That's why I asked the question. Do most of the T/A VONs start with MO like the AARs? Seems odd that some do and some don't. Weren't all the trans am cars sales bank cars? I didn't think you could order one to your liking.
I love the trans am cars, and am making a T/A clone to go along with my AAR clone. I also love the RT/SE cars.
Thanks guys!
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Mccannix it looks like thats Walts encloced car trailer and that is a Nova Scotia License plate so it would be the Challenger Convt. you found for him.Is that not you,the skinny guy with the long hair.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Thats me in the white shirt seen through the shaker opening putting parts on his table, Englishtown 1987.
As I recall most of that day you were trying to get this slug running right for your next pass
wow, small world indeed. 
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Ok, lets say it's 1987 all over again.....What's a 1970 Hemi Challenger convertible worth? How much was this car trading hands for?
I heard the purple one sold out of Quebec went for $88k. I believe it was sometime around 1987 give or take.
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B - Canada
C - Canada
E - Export
K - Special Order
M0 - Show Car
M9 - Sunroof Car
Q - Public Relations - Exec.Lease
T - Chry. Lease
R - ????
Has anyone else seen this code?
I was told that it indicates an Executive Ordered Vehicle
That J5 Challenger was restored to the high standards of the day, however it needs to be updated. I saw it a couple of years ago and it was definitely in need of some help.
Still a great car though.
Rene's purple Challenger hemi ragtop sold for $65,000 US in 1987 or 1988 I believe. At the time that was equal to about $110,000 Canadian.
'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..'
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R for 1971 could be either Y22 or Y28 related. You would need the broadcast sheet to know for sure.
That sounds exciting!
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So how many of each engine designation that had the N96 option are known to exist for 1970?
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We had a few shaker challengers in Connecticut back in the eighties and I knew how special they were even back then. 1) In 1981 a local guy had a 1971 JH23N1B 383 non R/T Challenger with a shaker on it. I chased after the hood for a year and finally got it. I traded the guy a T/A hood and some parts for it. I ended up selling it for $750 and I thought I was rich!!! 2) In 1983 I purchased a 1971 Challenger 440-6 R/T, super track pack, N96, Plum crazy, black top, stripes, the hood was missing. I tried to get a hood for it but never could (shouldn't have sold the first one). I sold the car in 1984 for $4K. 3) A local guy in Bridgeport had a EB7 440-6 Challenger R/T 4 speed car with a shaker since new. I tried to get the car for years. It disappeared and then resurfaced in 2000. Another local flipper guy got to it before me and purchased the car for $3K.  4) The one I really wish I bought. A 1971 Challenger JH27N1B 4 speed plum crazy shaker convertible. This car sold new at Cavallaro motors back on 1971. It was traded back to the dealer in the late seventies. They couldn't sell it and repainted it brown. I could have purchased it for $5K. Went through a few local owners, a buddy got it and pulled the hood off and sold the car to someone in NY. That was back in 1986. Who knew.
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Daniel, I have a shaker and so does my dad. Are you looking for VIN's in a way or registering the cars? If so i can shoot you them. One is a 71 non r/t and the other is a 71 r/t.... Steve 
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Reading this post makes me wana cry. Not knowing how rare of a car I had back in the early 80's I parted it out. It was a 71 340 R/T Shaker 4 speed Plum Crazy car. I sold the paper work and tags to a very well known mopar fellow. The body was sold to a local kid at the time and he still has it. I kept some of the parts along with the engine. The shaker hood went to John Brown, a guy that went through a bunch of Hemi cars back in the day, and was put on a Black Hemi Challenger non shaker car. Over the years I think I have done pretty well at keeping the rare cars and parts, but MAN did I screw up with that car. I would bet somewhere out there, someone has a 71 Plum Crazy 340 R/T shaker car missing the REAL body numbers and engine. Oh, and to boot, this was a late built car with a blue painted engine. Dan
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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I have a shaker and so does my dad. Are you looking for VIN's in a way or registering the cars? If so i can shoot you them. One is a 71 non r/t and the other is a 71 r/t....
Steve
Hey Steve,
I am trying to build a database on N96 Challengers. If you would like to share the info on yours, (copy of Broadcast Sheet/Fender Tag info) please e-mail me or send it via snail mail. I can also tell you how many (if any) cars are known to exist like yours.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/02/08 04:13 PM
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I've heard of non T/A challengers coming with the T/A hood? whats the deal with that?? I would like to know more about that...
You could buy a Hemi Challenger or Hemi Cuda and order either car with a T/A hood from the dealer. It came with a special aircleaner similar to the 3x2 with the seal alla around but 2x4. It had a different N9_ number.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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You could buy a Hemi Challenger or Hemi Cuda and order either car with a T/A hood from the dealer.
Challenger...Yes
Cuda...NO WAY!
They are two different cars and hoods. The Cuda has a header panel in the front and the Challenger doesn't. They never put an AAR hood on anything other than an AAR.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Must be really rare having a T/A hood on a non T/A challenger. How much rarer is it than a shaker?
I have a T/A hood, small springs and T/A air cleaner on my 70 440 Six Pack, no its not from the factory that way so its not on the data tag, just thought I bring it up because its a perfect fit the 340 engine and the 440 both sit at the same hieght in the k frame so the air cleaner fit the hood surface 100%....... Would'nt a hemi shaker base plate and lid also work with the T/A hood?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/05/08 12:10 AM
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.Not sure what he sold the other purple convt, for unrestored.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Must be really rare having a T/A hood on a non T/A challenger. How much rarer is it than a shaker?
I have a '70 R/T 383 auto with a factory N94 hood (sheet & tag).
I know of 4 '70 non-T/A Challengers built w/N94 T/A hoods
R/T Challenger HEMI 4spd black/black - TX9
R/T Challenger HEMI auto red/black - FE5 (J78 & J81)
R/T Challenger 383 auto green/black - FF4 (J81)
Challenger 340 auto blue/white - EB5 (J81)
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/05/08 02:00 PM
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The only '70 car (of the 4 above) that may have its original hood & springs is the red HEMI car; a MOPARTS member use to own it, but I believe he sold the car. I have a "Made in CANADA" stamped (over the counter) hood & unpainted springs. The VON of the black HEMI car & my 383 car are similar. The black HEMI car no longer exists.  My single 4bbl car and at least one of the '71 cars also has factory A/C!  All (4) 1970 cars have "rallye gauges" & 3-spd wipers. There was no "auto pilot" & hood restriction that I'm aware of. The 340 car and my car are both SPD 702. 340 car was in Florida & I heard it went north to CANADA. There was a restriction N94 - NOT/AVAILABLE on SE or with (A63) M31 due to the moulding on the rear of the hood. One of the '71s has M31, it's on the hood; the pics I've seen look legit, car was in need of restoration.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/05/08 04:15 PM
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When I purchased the car it was missing: hood, air cleaner, engine, trans, wheels (15x7s) & rear spoiler. Other than that, it was pretty complete.  I asked GG what the air cleaner should look like & he had seen a fresh air single 4bbl air cleaner at a couple of swap meets on the east coast. Looked like a '70-'71 340 air cleaner with a seal on top of it with the orange '70+ "air grabber" lid. My brother found an air cleaner at Spring Fling & showed it to Galen, I now have that air cleaner. It is a '70-'71 style 340 air cleaner base (one piece & a little taller) with a 1-1/2" flange around the top & a SHAKER seal. It has 2 plates over the openings, similar to the T/A "hot air" doors. This seal comes nowhere close to meeting the hole on the bottom of the hood. I have a list of N94 air cleaner part numbers; where I don't know?  I remember there being more than one part number for single 4bbl application. This air cleaner I have may actually be correct for 340 only. Sorry, no pics at this time. The car and pile of parts are in Ohio & I'm in Las Vegas.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/05/08 04:49 PM
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Daniel....hope you are doing well. Very inetersesting post you started here. I do not want to hijack your post; however, I was very surprised to read the low number of cars with the N94 option.
As some of you on this board know, our car "EL HEMI" is a Hemi R/T with a T/A hood (non-factory). The T/A hood was given to my dad by someone in Chrysler who worked in the design studio during the 60's and 70's.
This T/A hood is believed to be a prototype. The same hood that appears in the pictures Dodge PR Dept took of the prototype Challenger T/A prior to its release.
I am curious to see if there are people in this board that would have original pictures of N94 air cleaner lids. According to my research, these lids were different than the ones that came with the bulge/rallye hood. Lids had the same outer lip as the ones on six pack cars. Outer lip was half inch or so longer and slanted down slighlty.
In order to duplicate this I asked Rick Kreuziger (resto rick) to duplicate this. Attached find pictures.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Floyd....thank you for the info. Yes Rick did it. It would be great if you can get a picture of the lid. Feel free to send it to me if you get a chance.
I have seen a couple of the N94 air cleaner asemblies for sale throughout the years....I rarely see them with lids.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/05/08 06:37 PM
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This thread is killing me....
I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...
That car is pretty sweet looking the way it is. Those hoods are getting to be rarer than shakers now.
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02/05/08 06:52 PM
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This thread is killing me....
I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...
That car is pretty sweet looking the way it is. Those hoods are getting to be rarer than shakers now.
Thanks for the compliment...
I actually have the shaker hood for the car that was installed by the original owner sometime in 72. The pic is from Etown in 72. He bought all of the parts to install the shaker hood, but couldn't fit the baseplate and all the other components as he was running a rat roaster. The shaker bubble was attached to the underside of the hood and had a funky prismatic Hemi decal on the side.
A legit N94 Hemicar has to be very rare. Nice
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/06/08 09:49 AM
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The black HEMI car no longer exists.
My single 4bbl car and at least one of the '71 cars also has factory A/C!
There was no "auto pilot" & hood restriction that I'm aware of.
There was a restriction N94 - NOT/AVAILABLE on SE or with (A63) M31 due to the moulding on the rear of the hood. One of the '71s has M31, it's on the hood; the pics I've seen look legit, car was in need of restoration.
What happened to the Black Hemi with TA Hood car? With features like that it seems like that car should be restored regardless of what condition it's in.
So the N94 cars with a single carb can have AC, but their air cleaner doesn't seal properly to the opening in the hood. Is that right? So is the air cleaner round or oval?
Six pack cars (including all TAs) weren't supposed to come with speed control. I'm not sure why. I've put it on one and it works great!
I was considering puting the A63 package on a TA clone I'm building, but have decided against it for a few reasons. Out of curiosity, How did the factory attach the rear hood molding to a TA hood in 71? It's supposed to clip on, but the fiberglass hood is thicker. Did they grind the hood thinner, or spread the molding and hold it with butyle rubber or screws? any idea?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/06/08 09:53 AM
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The T/A hood was given to my dad by someone in Chrysler who worked in the design studio during the 60's and 70's.
This T/A hood is believed to be a prototype. The same hood that appears in the pictures Dodge PR Dept took of the prototype Challenger T/A prior to its release.
What are the differences between your hood (or any prototype TA hood) and a production TA hood?
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/06/08 10:40 AM
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Cataclysm80: There are several differences and here I will mention some:
1) Dodge Raised insignia in the front of the hood
2) Scoop is 2 1/2" farther towards the windshield
3) Air vents are narrower and slightly deeper with a different mesh
4) No windshield squirters
5) Hood has an edge lip from front to back similar to a steel hood
Attached a side by side comparison...
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/06/08 10:43 AM
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This thread is killing me....
I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...
It's OK Mike, I'm having running/driving/painted car envy... 
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Pictured above....Prototype hood is on the left. Picture below is on the FACTORY hood..AIR VENTS
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below...prototype air vents. notice they are narrower with diffrent mesh
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below...production hood underside.
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last...here is the prototype hood underside.
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last comparison side by side
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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02/07/08 10:16 AM
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Dan: Are you aware of a car that was on eBay back in October 2005? Here is the tag info as posted by the seller.
N41 N42 N94 N96 P31 CTD
J46 L25 M25 M31 M91
C55 G11 G36 H51 J41 J45
V3W U A01 A46 B51 C16
FC7 HRX9 000 802 M00106
E65 D32 JH27 N1B 100374
P37 R36 V6W 26 EN2
All I can say is: What a wicked Fu**ing car! Notice that it had A/C. It was in Woodstock GA. when advertised for sale. The guy pulled the auction before it was done. I don't know what happened to the car.
Yes that was a cool car!
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02/07/08 03:17 PM
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This thread is killing me....
I am suffering from a bad case of Shaker Hood envy...
I got the Shaker envy thing going on too, and I am gona get one soon hopefuly. I put an original T/A hood and air cleaner on my car and man thats a sharp combo and fits a 440 Sixpack perfect, kinda surprised cause I never have seen a T/A hood on anything other than a T/A car or a T/A clone. Us E body owners got it made cause we have 3 sharp hoods to chose from Ralley, Shaker and the T/A
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02/07/08 05:29 PM
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OT a little but I'm curious how to tell the original T/A hood from a repop, there must be some big differences? I've never seen a repop do they bow up like the originals when closed?
The repop T/A hood look better than the original when it comes to the bow that all originals seem to have, but the repops that I have seen are missing the window squirters and the vent screens also are differant
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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03/12/08 08:11 PM
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Daniel, Hey it's jrepucci friend Chris in Sacramento. I acquired my own N96 70 Challenger from Ben Schloss in the Bay Area this past November. It's a burnt orange on burnt orange six pack automatic. Do you have that one on file? Chris 
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03/12/08 09:41 PM
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Hi Chris, No, I don't but Jason did tell me that you had bought the car. If it has a Broadcast Sheet would you please send me a copy? If not, please send the Fender Tag info. Pictures are good too! db dbbker@cs.com
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Hi Chris,
No, I don't but Jason did tell me that you had bought the car. If it has a Broadcast Sheet would you please send me a copy? If not, please send the Fender Tag info. Pictures are good too!
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Cool. I'll get you a copy of the build sheet and the two tags. If you need any specific pictures let me know.
My biggest question is what color is the bubble supposed to be? My build date is 7/23
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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03/13/08 11:12 PM
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My biggest question is what color is the bubble supposed to be? My build date is 7/23
Chris, I can tell you that the HEMI Challenger that I had was also built on 7-23-1970 and the SHAKER bubble was black. I know of about 10-13 N96 coded Challengers built on that day and they all seemed to have black shaker bubbles.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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No, I've never really focused on the bubble color. With no way to tell for sure what color the car came off the assembly line with, things could have changed and there's now way to know if they did.
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Re: N96 SHAKER Challengers
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Someone had just asked how many shakers were built so I added the link to his question. I put in there too that it should be archived. Maybe someone with some pull here can get it done?
Chris from New Jersey
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