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Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: julian2007] #484648 10/03/09 07:41 AM 10/03/09 07:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden R RT540 top fuel
RT540 top fuel R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden	Bolting the pump to the block and use the original drive makes things easier to mount and safe some space, good engineering. I looked at the web site and searched for what gear type this pump uses. I had a Weaver brothers 3-stage pump on my engine and it gave very little vacuum. I have bought a used AutoVerdi 6-stage Nascar pump with teflon coated roots style gears and when you turn the pump by hand, you can hear the the air pumping out of the scavenge stages. Roots style scavenge dry sump pumps will work so good, that you can eliminate the vaccum pump. I bought a Moroso 3-vane pump to use with the Weaver 3-stage pump, that I will sell along with old dry sump pump. Dry sump pumps comes in three different types of gears. Spur gears, Georotor gears and Roots.

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Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? #484650 10/03/09 10:42 AM 10/03/09 10:42 AM
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Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	I have a four stage Weaver on this engine and you can hear the air coming through.... when using the drill. Im not sure how much vaccumm its helping pull but with the engine at 1500rpm its goes up to 10-12 pounds quick. Vaccumm pump is only a 3 vane morrosso The front can get messed up but for pulling doesnt matter much as long as you have space. 5522122-frontresize.jpg (552 downloads)

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: Diablo] #484651 10/03/09 10:45 AM 10/03/09 10:45 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I have a four stage Weaver on this engine and you can hear the air coming through.... when using the drill. Im not sure how much vaccumm its helping pull but with the engine at 1500rpm its goes up to 10-12 pounds quick. Vaccumm pump is only a 3 vane morrosso The front can get messed up but for pulling doesnt matter much as long as you have space. are you sure you don't mean inches of vacuum? 10-12 pounds would suck the oil pan flat.

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? #484652 10/03/09 12:52 PM 10/03/09 12:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro OP top fuel
RylisPro OP top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	...gone! I sent payment for my pump already Quote: It does not do the job a well period what works for top fuel will not work necessarily for eveything else. This should be fine for my application I like the fact that it is compact and I don't have to use another pulley to drive the pump. do I really need it? No. but do we really need any of our cars? this pump is something I've wanted for a long time as always, when I get the pump, I will dissect it and post up pics 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

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Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484654 10/03/09 01:25 PM 10/03/09 01:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	The problem I see with that pump is it puts a large amount of strain on the oil pump drive gear. May not like the idea of a belt driven pump but if you put an oil pressure switch on the ignition power that would likely save the motor if the belt ever breaks.

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? #484655 10/03/09 01:57 PM 10/03/09 01:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 166 Ames, Iowa LoneMopar member
LoneMopar member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 166 Ames, Iowa	Quote: As of now there's not a single a Hemi using one that I could name. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/mopar/bigblock/0505em_hemi/index.html Here's a link to a 572 Hemi build by Ken Lazzeiri using a missle dry sump setup. Not a big Indy fan myself but I do respect their knowledge.

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: dodgeboy11] #484656 10/03/09 01:59 PM 10/03/09 01:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	it makes it nice and simple to add a vacuum side, which eliminates some money that normally would be spent on a vacuum system and related parts...What about $1200 according to my last investment. This would be one good reason for such a oil pump...But I was looking at the more econ0 deals that can be found from Petersons 4 and 5 stage pumps. [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484657 10/03/09 03:37 PM 10/03/09 03:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro OP top fuel
RylisPro OP top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	I have not heard anybody who uses this pump refer to it as a bad piece. Maybe no one was man enough to admit they bought a piece of junk if it is a bad pump, then I guess I will take one for the team, at my cost and you will read about it here 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484658 10/03/09 04:03 PM 10/03/09 04:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,247 Chi-Town PlumCrazyCharger pro stock
PlumCrazyCharger pro stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,247 Chi-Town	I've got three missile pumps and never had a problem on my 1100 HP n/a and 1300-1400 NOS engines. I think they're good pumps. I use Charlies oil pans that cost about $450.00 and Steffs dry sump tanks. I bought two pumps from JoE Baker and one off ebay. Paid $400.00 for each pump. All three are 4 stage and pull about 9 inches of vacuum on there own. Any questions pm me and I'll help you out. Sean 5522588-P4260336.JPG (724 downloads)

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484659 10/03/09 05:36 PM 10/03/09 05:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 614 new jersey G gillman34 mopar
gillman34 mopar G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 614 new jersey	I researched this awhile ago when looking for a dry sump system for my current engine.The actual Missle users I talked to told me that gear wear is the same as if you were driving a normal wet sump pump.In other words they last as long as any other bronze gear intermediate shaft.They are nicely made and I heard no complaints.6-8 in vacuum is what I was told is normal for these pumps to make by themselves. All that being said, I went with the Dailey setup like in Fred's picture.Mine is a 5 stage with the pump section at the rear of the suction sections.Dailey uses a roots type lobe for the pump/suctions.75-80 psi at 9500 rpm hot with 0w10 oil with 15 in vacuum regulated,will pull 20-22 with no regulator.I am using their pan and a Steff's tank.It's nice not having the extra plumbing on the left side of the engine.That is the main reason I went with this setup.3 lines,feed,return and pressure to the block. I hope this helps!

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? #484660 10/04/09 03:19 AM 10/04/09 03:19 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden R RT540 top fuel
RT540 top fuel R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden	Quote: there are a few members here that use the same mantra "COST IS NO OBJECT". Like it or not I am a charter member. I have yet to build a project that didn't get every part it needed based on cost. For example my roller lifters were 1600.00 . the titanium valves recieved a special diamond coating which rose their total cost to near $190.00 each. If for a blink of an eye there was an oil system that stood head and heels over the rest of the field it would be on my motors. As of now there's not a single a Hemi using one that I could name. Any dry sump pump that uses roots style on the Scavenge side will be above the rest of the pumps that use only spur or georotor gears. I am partial to AutoVerdi as that is a Swedish brand with very high quality and precision. I bought my pump used for 850USD here in Sweden. As the loobs are coated with a light blue colored coating of teflon, it is pretty easy to look at the loobs and see any scratches and dents in the surface of the coating. My pump is in excellent cond. If I had a bigger budget, I would have bought a new pump with 3-loobs roots style in the pump with wider sections, So I could have the same capacity in 4 or 5 stages that will make the same job as my 6-stage, but with less plumbing. I know that Barnes makes Roots style with 3-loobs also. Don�t know which brands that comes with teflon coatings besides Verdi ? http://www.autoverdi.com/pumps.html

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? #484661 10/05/09 07:15 AM 10/05/09 07:15 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh julian2007 super stock
julian2007 super stock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 901 oh	What difference does it make if a hemi has one? I don't know of too many quick 32 of 16 cars that run hemis, they all have indy wedge motors for the most part.When you are 60 footing 1.0S I would rather not worry about a swiveling pickup failing.If you need it you need it.if you don't you don't.road racing good idea never half to worry about a pickup catching air.On a fast car the same, oil good air bad God made cold beer,good friends,hot ladies and race cars don't spit in his face by pi$$ing and moaning about how life sucks!!!

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484662 10/26/09 02:13 PM 10/26/09 02:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro OP top fuel
RylisPro OP top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	I got my pump! XRP fittings star gears I wanted to dissect it more but I'm late for school! more pics later... 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #484663 10/31/10 12:45 AM 10/31/10 12:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 61 Central IL tntmachine member
tntmachine member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 61 Central IL	RylisPro I wish that I would have stumbled across this thread before you bought your pump. I am seriously considering a Missle setup and would have liked to have got it at a discount.

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #2617432 02/05/19 06:51 PM 02/05/19 06:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 70 TEXAS Panty Dropper member
Panty Dropper member Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 70 TEXAS	If your curious about the Missile Pumps, I just got in touch with Steve Lanius... I am sending my pump to him to have him go through it for a freshen up... http://s156.photobucket.com/user/HENRYKINDLE/library/Ex-Pro%20Stock%20Dakota%20pics

Re: Anyone else getting a Missile Dry Sump? [Re: RylisPro] #2617596 02/05/19 11:57 PM 02/05/19 11:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia dthemi master
dthemi master Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,097 back in Georgia	This is a dailey system. I run one a 660 inch motor, and it pulls 19 inches at idle with no vacuum pump.

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