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727 or Poweglide ??? #478357
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Im right now at a cross road.. At the moment I have a 727 in my Charger. Sadly the 727 got tired of living and decided to burn up about 20 minutes before I got to the race track.. This bummed me out so bad that I havent even seen my car for about a month...

Anyways... Should I just rebuild the 727 or do a swap to a Powerglide. I kinda guess the money spent beefing up the 727 could be better spent on a PG trans???

The powerplant is a 426 Hemi, should be good for 650Hp, plan is to add a 2-300hp shoot of Nitrous later on.

Car is a close to stock weight 1970 Charger, stock weight with my fat butt in it..

My plan is (well I hope) to run a 9.xx sec time slip at some point..

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3800-3900? Little heavy for a glide, I think.


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3800-3900? Little heavy for a glide, I think.




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Thats kinda what I thought, but wanted to make shore, that the weight of the car might be a problem to run a PG..



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A well built glide will definitely hold up in a car that heavy. I would say a 1.80 straight cut gear would be good idea though.


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ay 3900 t-400 Would be my choice still stronger and cheaper than 727




Definitely T-400 with that heavy of car, definitely.

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3800-3900? Little heavy for a glide, I think.




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nope unless your an ET chaser . still ok for brackets

do some research




Have and wouldn't run a 2-speed in any car that heavy....even bracket racing

I do agree on the T-400 though

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Hmm... Ok, then.. What would it take to make a 727 trans survive behind a 900Hp engine?

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At only 650 HP I would just stay with the 727. I would go with a nice reverse pattern manual valve body though and make sure you have a bolt in sprag.
My 727 has seen about 5 seasons of racing in a 3700 pound car and 1 season in the Duster at 3400# both with around 600hp mills.
My new Engine should put out over 800 hp so I'm going to go through and strengthen the 727 a bit.

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"Hmm... Ok, then.. What would it take to make a 727 trans survive behind a 900Hp engine?"

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I just don't get it. Everyone wants to abandon the 727. You can go to a transmission parts supplier and get a clutch and seal kit for $100. Buy a billet drum for safety and a truck planetary for reliability. The two will cost $1,000. If you don't already have a good valve body then that is why you have burnt clutches. Tranzact would be my choice. Any Mopar junkie who has built their own 727 successfully can easily handle the build.

Ask your self this simple question. If torqueflites are such a peice of crap then why do the majority of comp guys run them even in the Chevies?

But, If you want a great powerglide I have two to choose from. With more tricks than you can imagine in them. Be glad to sell you one or even both of them.

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I dont want to "abandon" the 727 OR think its crap in any way. To leave it be makes my life alot easier than having to mate the engine to another brand trans.. I was asking more because of curiosity than anything else..

The 727 I have has a bolt in sprag, good clutches, etc.. A Turbo Action manual valvebody..

At this time I have no idea what killed it.. It worked well one minute, then next minute it just lost al gears...

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Hmm, could be the torque converter if you lost all gears.

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Hmm, could be the torque converter if you lost all gears.




1st gear worked for a little while, just enough so I did not have to push the car into the garage. But I had to rew the engine really high to get the car moving and keep rews high to keep it moving..

The whole thing happend on my way to the race track. It is a 60mile highway drive. I have a trans cooler, etc..

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Hmm...

CRT Super pro II with transbrake 3640$ + shiping

ATI Pro Glide + Adaptor case 3720$ + new converter + new driveshaft + shiping

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Hmm...

CRT Super pro II with transbrake 3640$ + shiping

ATI Pro Glide + Adaptor case 3720$ + new converter + new driveshaft + shiping




any questions???




Yeah, you forgot to mention that to get an equal to the Pro-flite you need a $7000 Rossler. I really don't understand why the push to convert everyone that mentions a 727 to gm transmissions.

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I hate to say it, go with the glide, my car is all confused, 9" in back and a glide inda middle, all Mopar motor.

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Yeah, you forgot to mention that to get an equal to the Pro-flite you need a $7000 Rossler. I really don't understand why the push to convert everyone that mentions a 727 to gm transmissions.






Not True or even close.like apples to oranges. at 5500.00 plus a proflite is usually chosen for it's many gear ratio , less reciprocating weightcan only handle 1300 hp aso known for a short lifespan.
the 5500.00 Rossler is built to handle 2000 + pro mod hopsepower

a basic stock with good clutces and bands 400 can handle about 700 Hp amd coss arond 1200.00. step up to some better drums good to 1100 hp




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To get a 210exd with all of the trick, lightweight goodies equal to a PF it approaches $7000. Yes, in a 2000 hp pro-mod I agree that the Rossler is the only choice. That being said, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a pro-mod nor was one mentioned. He says he has a 650hp hemi that he'll occasionally squirt. Also, that price you quote from Rossler is without an Ultra-Bell, the crank adapter and the chevy flywheel. Then get a new driveshaft, slip yoke and fab a trans mount. Lets not get it twisted.

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The powerplant is a 426 Hemi, should be good for 650Hp, plan is to add a 2-300hp shoot of Nitrous later on.






Steel front planet, steel or aluminum front clutch retainer, roller planets and output support, 4340 pump gears, preferable year front pump hsg and reaction shaft support and low band apply valve body. Zyglo the input and output shafts. Wala, you're good to go.


edit: I didn't notice he was going to giggle gas.

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Good question to ask, and only you can decide.

I love my 727. Since I do my own work it is very cheap and holds up to the power well. To be fair, a PG would likely be a better bracket race setup in my car (3200 lbs), but my consistancy is as good as anyone in my class.

I say to stay with the 727 and put a better valve body in it. Either the Tranzact or Griner. I expect you already have a billet front drum for safety. If you have a transbrake, then put a steel spline front planetary in the trans. I run footbrake and a stock 4 pinion aluminum body planetary.


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Good question to ask, and only you can decide.

I love my 727. Since I do my own work it is very cheap and holds up to the power well. To be fair, a PG would likely be a better bracket race setup in my car (3200 lbs), but my consistancy is as good as anyone in my class.

I say to stay with the 727 and put a better valve body in it. Either the Tranzact or Griner. I expect you already have a billet front drum for safety. If you have a transbrake, then put a steel spline front planetary in the trans. I run footbrake and a stock 4 pinion aluminum body planetary.




How much power are you making Jim, and how many passes until you have to freshen it up?

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Here is what a GM guy thinks the optional TH400 upgrades are. It ends up as an aftermarket trans, like a 727 at that level. I don't get it.

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HEMIROID. not twisted just clearing up your statement
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ah, you forgot to mention that to get an equal to the Pro-flite you need a $7000 Rossler



the two can't be compared.




I hear ya Fred. I agree that with 2000hp stuff the 400 is more durable, but not in his case IMO. The point I was trying to make was that a $7000 PF has every trick part known to man in it To get the same lightweight, trick geared 400 it costs the same money, and the PF is still faster. That 400 will handle a lot more hp, especially above 1000hp, but that wasn't the discussion that was being had. Peace

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I definately dont need a Rossler trans or a Proflite.. I just want something that will do the job and NOT cause problems...

I guess Ill keep the 727 trans, maby go for the CRT one or build something similar into the 727 transmission case I have.

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Here is what a GM guy thinks the optional TH400 upgrades are. It ends up as an aftermarket trans, like a 727 at that level. I don't get it.




but it to will also handle way more HP than a fully modified 727 that peaks out at 1500 tops




Possibly so, but if the original poster needs a trans, what will the website I linked suggest? Nothing? I think not.

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Hmm...

CRT Super pro II with transbrake 3640$ + shiping

ATI Pro Glide + Adaptor case 3720$ + new converter + new driveshaft + shiping




any questions???




Yes, arent these way too much money and transmission for what he's doing? Especially since he's driving it on the highway to the racetrack?

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