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527 dyno test results, long. EDIT #477584
09/23/09 02:44 PM
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I dyno tested my 527 C.I 440 block motor last week in Klamath Falls OR on a DTS engine dyno (the dyno is two years old ) I had tested this motor before on a Studka dyno and wanted to run it the same way as before on the DTS dyno to compare the results. The Studka dyno is in Madras OR at around 2300 ft. above sea level, the DTS dyno in Klamath falls is at 4100 ft. above sea level. The weather was similar on both days, not exactly the sasme though The Studka dyno doesn't use a flywheel on the motor and the DTS does require one, I used a 143 tooth aluminum flywheel on the tests done in Klamath, which the dyno owner and operator said made the inertia factor at 1.86, what ever that means The inertia factor on the Studka was 1.31, if I'm remembering correctly The other difference was the fuel, I used a different brand of fuel in June on the Studka dyno than I did last week on the DTS dyno tsts, Both brands are rated at 110 octane The results in June using a 440-2 intake with a tapered adapter to a 4500 carb and a one inch phenolic spacer using a Holley 9375-2 HP carb. with 86 jets squared with 34 degrees of timing was 875 HP at 6100 RPM and 806 ft. lbs torque at 5300 rpm. The motor ended up breaking a pushrod before I was done testing all the things I wanted to test, which was one of the reasons I wanted to retest it again. On the DTS dyno the same combination made a best of 776 Hp at 6100, 6200 and again at 6400 RPM, the torque was 724ft. lbs. from 5100 to 5300 RPM The average torque on that test was 695 and the average HP was 693, we tested it from 4000 rpm to 6500 rpm, the AFR sensors showed it to be lean so we jetted it up to 88 squared for the next tests. the motor lost 1 HP at peak and 1 ft. lb of torque That made me thank that there wide ban sensor was goofy We also added timing from 34 degrees total to 36 which ended up losing another one HP and one ft. lb at peak I put the timing back to 33 and then tested several differnt K&N air filters, the 16x3 with a steel lid lost a little power (3 HP and 4 ft. lbs) and the 14x6 with the extreme lid made the exact same power as no air cleaner I then switch pushrods from a set of Smith Bros. 083 wall to a set of Manton .120 wall with the exact same length, that change ended up making 5 more HP and 4 more ft. lbs torque The dyno operator builds and tests a lot of roundy round motors and he was impressed with those results, just like I was I then switch the intake and carbs to a Indy tunnel ram with the dual 4500 top and a set of 1050 Dominator Holley # 9375 non HP carbs. with the stock jetting, 92 squared. The motor lost power and torque with that jetting, it made a best of 759 hp with 690 ft. lbs torque The AFR showed real rich so we rejetted it down several times 4 sizes each time until it got to 80 squared which made 799 hp and 727 ft. lbs. We then installed a set of K&N air filters, 9x6 with extreme filter lids, which helps the air flow into the carbs. That change made the best pull of the day with 803 HP at 6100 RPM and 732 ft. lbs at 5200 rpm I am pleased with the tests and the results, we made 23 pulls and the motor is still together Just kidding I am going to be able to retest it again on the
Studka dyno using the same fuel as I used in Klamath with no changes to the motor next week so we will know what the actual differences between the two dyno are We will test it with the flywheel and without the flywheel to see what that does to the test results Sorry for so long a posts, IHTH some of you Edit at 11:44 PM PDT 09-23-09 I just remembered one other difference between the Studka and the DTS dyno rooms, the DTS had a very strong exhaust fan, a lot stronger than the one on the Studka dyno room. the one on the DTS would pull a strong enough vacume that I had to struggle to get the door open into the dyno room when the fan was running, it formed a vacume. (shock) The Studka dyno fan has never made that much vacume under any condition. We do leave both doors open into the Studka dyno room and turn the fan up all the way but there is no noticeable vacume in the room under any condition

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Re: 527 dyno test resultys, long [Re: Cab_Burge] #477585
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that's a cool story. I'm really surprised you had to jet down that much on the dommeys but 2300 feet what was the corrected. but 9375 work well with low signal at low rpm on heavy cars so that may make them work rich at lower flows since you had to of them for 2300 cfm???
I once read that the 9375's were greatr down low to get big cars moving but the annular boosters conversly ran leaner than others at high RPM's (high flow)???
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Re: 527 dyno test resultys, long [Re: Cab_Burge] #477586
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I love reading posts like this.

I wish it was even longer.

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?Me too.. thanks Cab

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Nice work Cab

Re: 527 dyno test resultys, long [Re: moparmanjames] #477589
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This post would/does make me skeptical of the Indy Tunnel Ram...Do you feel with diff carbs, and more time to test and tune that the tunnel ram could eclipse the power over the single Indy intake? This just shows what some already know, that its not always easy to make good power with two carbs.

Nice thread, and nice work Cab


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On the DTS dyno the same combination made a best of 776 Hp at 6100...
I then switch the intake and carbs to a Indy tunnel ram with the dual 4500 top and a set of 1050 Dominator Holley # 9375 non HP carbs. ... The AFR showed real rich so we rejetted it down several times 4 sizes each time until it got to 80 squared which made 799 hp and 727 ft. lbs.


I love dyno testing different stuff, thanks for sharing. You put the work in to make the tunnel ram make more power than the single carb.


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Cab....can you leave that thing on your front porch? I'm coming south in a few days...I'll throw a cheque thru the mailslot if yur not home.!!!!
It'd fit REAL fine in my GTX!

Nice motor

Re: 527 dyno test resultys, long [Re: superwrench] #477592
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Cab,the 527 sounds like a real "StumpPuller"!!! BEST of luck with it! RandyB

Re: 527 dyno test resultys, long [Re: Bob_Coomer] #477593
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This post would/does make me skeptical of the Indy Tunnel Ram...Do you feel with diff carbs, and more time to test and tune that the tunnel ram could eclipse the power over the single Indy intake? This just shows what some already know, that its not always easy to make good power with two carbs.

Nice thread, and nice work Cab


I didn't take the jetting to the point where it quit making more power do to the time of day, I was real hestatant to jet those carbs down that far I will jet it down some more on the Studka and see where too lean is with those carbs. I did find a potential problem when I got the motor home and started draining the float bowls, one was dry I also had a problem on one of the twin Dominators on the dyno, it had a bad needle and seat, which was probally why it was running so rich at first. I replaced that one needle and seat and didn't see any other obvious problems with the carbs. after that I am hoping to add the one inch phenolic spacers under the twin dominator on the tunnel ram to see what, if any, results that will make after jetting the carbs down until it starts to lose power As far as the Indy tunnel ram I'm still wondering about it compared to one other fabricated tunnel ram I tested earlier this year on another motor I had hope to be able to test mine or his to each other, didn't happen Maybe next year we can swap them from one motor to the other at MATS, if that race happens ( I have both tops for the 4150 carbs and the 4500 carbs) I was thinking earlier this evening after making the first post that this motor only made 30 more HP with the twin Dominators versus the single dominator on the 440-2 with the adapter and spacer Maybe there is more in that twin carb set up once it is jetted correctly, I hope


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O/T, Did you get your rear done?..Phill

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O/T, Did you get your rear done?..Phill


You wasn't suppose to tell about that The Dana 60 is in the car and I'm real close to being able to test drive it, probally tomorrow evening There is a local 08 or 09 Super Snake Mustang that is suppose to be real fast Maybe we can find out if it is faster than my Duster, or not


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just an observation, but isn't the Stuska dyno the one you normally test on?

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just an observation, but isn't the Stuska dyno the one you normally test on?


I have used that dyno twice on two of my motors, the 518 pump gas motor six pak motor and this one. I did test one of my other pump gas six pak 464 C.I. motors on a DTS dyno in Corvallis,OR last summer. I was not impress with that facility so I haven't went back to use it again since then and I won't use it again.Dram read my edit update on the first post about another difference between the Studka dyno room and the DTS dyno room and give me your thoughts on that please


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just an observation, but isn't the Stuska dyno the one you normally test on?


I have used that dyno twice on two of my motors, the 518 pump gas motor six pak motor and this one. I did test one of my other pump gas six pak 464 C.I. motors on a DTS dyno in Corvallis,OR last summer. I was not impress with that facility so I haven't went back to use it again since then and I won't use it again.Dram read my edit update on the first post about another difference between the Studka dyno room and the DTS dyno room and give me your thoughts on that please




a good dyno cell will have a strong evacuation fan. the engine should be getting clean fresh air from a dedicated source, so that vacuum you feel in the cell should have zero effect on test results.

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Very Cool Cab! Next time you are in Klamtucky, call!

So who has a dyno? I am going to need their services shortly.









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