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Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... #472930 09/19/09 09:25 PM 09/19/09 09:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,416 Lake Charles,Louisiana B BILLYJAY OP pro stock
BILLYJAY OP pro stock B Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,416 Lake Charles,Louisiana	is anyone using offset lifters with the 440-1 heads ??? reasons ?? advantages ?? and what products are you using??? thanks

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: BILLYJAY] #472931 09/19/09 09:28 PM 09/19/09 09:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	I recommend our .180 offset lifter. Pushrod oiling, oils the bearings, will work with up to .470 lobes and no lifter bore bushings. 5493007-solidrollerlifters001.jpg (448 downloads)

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #472932 09/19/09 11:03 PM 09/19/09 11:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Brian, where is the oil feed passage that feeds the roller wheel bearings? Billy, I bought a set from Brian, they are a great way to increase life of the lifters. I have two used sets of non oiling roller lifters with bad bearings in some of them,,,,,,,,,,, Last edited by gregsdart; 09/19/09 11:05 PM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: gregsdart] #472933 09/19/09 11:19 PM 09/19/09 11:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Brian, where is the oil feed passage that feeds the roller wheel bearings? Billy, I bought a set from Brian, they are a great way to increase life of the lifters. I have two used sets of non oiling roller lifters with bad bearings in some of them,,,,,,,,,,, If you look in the pic above, look at the closest lifter body, where the oil hole in the side of the body is....then pan down to the bottom of the "cutout" and you can barely see it in the pic. It's edge orfice oiling and it's not part of the pushrod oiling system. Brian Hafliger

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #472934 09/19/09 11:24 PM 09/19/09 11:24 PM
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68roadrunner super stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky	i dont run pushrod oiling. that would not make any difference would it? thanks lee

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: 68roadrunner] #472935 09/19/09 11:37 PM 09/19/09 11:37 PM
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Bigcube I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY	I run Isky red zone lifters with offset and pushrod oiling on my -1 heads. So far I've had no problems with them. Jim

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Bigcube] #472936 09/19/09 11:55 PM 09/19/09 11:55 PM
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BILLYJAY OP pro stock B Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,416 Lake Charles,Louisiana	The reason i am asking is that i think maybe part of my problem with my ball/cup(indy pushrods is that when they are at the most angle they maybe touching the block and putting pressure on the pushrod and breaking the cup since it appears to be the weakest point on the pushrod.. i did clearance for the pushrods but think it maybe still too close when running and under pressure.. cant find any other reason that i have now busted 3 cups off indys' pushrods.. i ordered new cup adjusters and ball/ ball pushrods but was looking at changing the lifters to keep from having to tear down the top half of my motor and straighten up the pushrod angle at the same time...how will the oiling affect me with the shaft oiling that i already have ????will it allow enough oil to get to the lifter with the ball/ball pushrod comming from the shaft area or will i need to make changes to my oiling too??? 5493279-003.JPG (316 downloads)

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: BILLYJAY] #472937 09/20/09 12:12 AM 09/20/09 12:12 AM
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TS3303 top fuel Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,981 SE Michigan	The reason your breaking cups is because the Indy's are junk. I ran Smith Bros ball/cup pushrods on my -1's for 7 years with an .800 lift cam and Indy rockers and never broke one pushrod. The lifters were centered and had no clearance issues. When I upgraded to jesel rockers I had to switch to offset lifters for clearance. If your going to run ball/ball pushrods you better have pushrod oiling or you'll burn the adjusters and balls since theres no cup to collect oil. If your pushrods are hitting the block/head they will have some pretty good scares on them.

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: BILLYJAY] #472938 09/20/09 12:12 AM 09/20/09 12:12 AM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	It might put more oil up top...you'd have to check it because I've never built an engine with both ways functioning. It helps to have oil in the pushrod, helps cut down on harmonics. Brian Hafliger

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #472939 09/20/09 12:18 AM 09/20/09 12:18 AM
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TS3303 top fuel Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,981 SE Michigan	if your going to pushrod oiling what size orifice did your order on the pushrods? If your oiling with both you'll have to restrict the shaft oiling also. Is this block bushed?

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: TS3303] #472940 09/20/09 12:43 AM 09/20/09 12:43 AM
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BILLYJAY OP pro stock B Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,416 Lake Charles,Louisiana	there are no marks on the broken pushrods..i did check..i thought that with the shaft oiling that enough oil would travel down the pushrod to oil the lifter..even with ball/ball pushrod..the cup on the indy had no hole in it so i assume the oil was travling down the shaft of the pushrod to the lifter..correct ?? why wont it do the same when i use the cup adjuster and ball/ball pushrod now ??i had tapped and put restrictors in each head to slow down the oiling that was flooding my heads..i am going to try the new pushrods and adjusters before i buy new offset lifters ..maybe these new pushrods will solve the problem.. 5493338-004.JPG (211 downloads)

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: BILLYJAY] #472941 09/20/09 12:57 AM 09/20/09 12:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: there are no marks on the broken pushrods..i did check..i thought that with the shaft oiling that enough oil would travel down the pushrod to oil the lifter..even with ball/ball pushrod..the cup on the indy had no hole in it so i assume the oil was travling down the shaft of the pushrod to the lifter..correct ?? why wont it do the same when i use the cup adjuster and ball/ball pushrod now ??i had tapped and put restrictors in each head to slow down the oiling that was flooding my heads..i am going to try the new pushrods and adjusters before i buy new offset lifters ..maybe these new pushrods will solve the problem.. If your breaking pushrods because of side loading from rubbing something, new pushrods won't fix the problem. You need to either move the pushrod away from whatever your rubbing, or move whatever's being rubbed against the pushrods... In all the Indy -1 engines we build, we always use these offset lifters. Makes everything work like it should. Brian Hafliger

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #472942 09/20/09 09:18 AM 09/20/09 09:18 AM
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68roadrunner super stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky	Brian, how many passes do you recomend before rebuilding/replacing these? can i run my no oil pushrods on these. thanks, lee

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #472943 09/20/09 10:09 AM 09/20/09 10:09 AM
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CRE2004 super gas Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,503 Illinois	Quote: I recommend our .180 offset lifter. Pushrod oiling, oils the bearings, will work with up to .470 lobes and no lifter bore bushings. Brian, How does that lifter differ from the 892's? Mike

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: CRE2004] #472944 09/20/09 10:37 AM 09/20/09 10:37 AM
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BILLYJAY OP pro stock B Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,416 Lake Charles,Louisiana	brian, the comment about the pushrod rubbing is just a guess cause i cant find any other reason for these pushrods to keep breaking the cups...as i said there are no marks on the pushrods and we did clearance them and they all have about .040-.60 worth of clearance.. but under extreme conditions you never know whats going on...Are you telling me that if i use the ball/ball pushrods with my shaft oiling that they will not get enough oil to the lifters ??? 5493736-002.JPG (488 downloads)

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: BILLYJAY] #472945 09/20/09 01:25 PM 09/20/09 01:25 PM
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TS3303 top fuel Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,981 SE Michigan	the lifters are pressure fed from the block and also have oil from head drain back as well windage from the cam tunnel. The ball on the top is the concern, with rocker oiling it may not be enough since there is no cup to catch and retain oil. pushrod rod oiling fixes that issue, which then you could block the shaft oiling. With pushrod oiling you should restrict the pushrod hole to reduce over oiling the top end.

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: 68roadrunner] #472946 09/20/09 10:20 PM 09/20/09 10:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Brian, how many passes do you recomend before rebuilding/replacing these? can i run my no oil pushrods on these. thanks, lee Most guys check them when they do a freshen up on the engine. I recommend checking them every 200 passes if you can. After cleaning them in clean solvent, you'll want to make sure the wheels don't move up and down or they should not have any play up and down. Brian Hafliger

Re: Off-Set Lifter with 440-1 Indy heads... [Re: CRE2004] #472947 09/20/09 10:22 PM 09/20/09 10:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Quote: I recommend our .180 offset lifter. Pushrod oiling, oils the bearings, will work with up to .470 lobes and no lifter bore bushings. Brian, How does that lifter differ from the 892's? Mike These have the oil holes parallel with the axle, to help slow down oil to the topend. And they are taller at the pushrod seat. Brian Hafliger

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