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IHRA red light revision in the future? #468729
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I *KNOW* some of you guys will have an opinion on this...

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Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: BBR] #468730
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here we go....

(takes a step backward)...

Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: plasticfantastic] #468731
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The "Worst Red Light" proposal has been argued for years on these boards, I hoped it had gone away for good after the main guy pushing it passed away.

Don't count on it happening, there is a huge majority of Sportsman and bracket racers against it.

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Unbelievable, I just cannot understand why anyone would be against correcting a rule that places slower racers at a disadvantage everytime he stages against a faster car. It's just pure logic that says the faster cars have an advantage with that rule. I can definitely understand why the fast guys do not want the rule changed.

I have always been a supporter of this change and in discussions with NHRA several years ago provided them with results of a Monte Carlo simulation which proved without a doubt that the faster car has the advantage. They just wouldn't listen.

HERE'S HOPING IT FINALLY GETS CHANGED!!!!

Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: Blucuda413] #468733
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So when the redlite comes on for the slower car what's stopping the faster car from just waiting on the green?


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Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: Jacob Pitt] #468734
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Neither drivers green OR red light would come on until BOTH cars have left the starting line. The last car to leave the line would not know whether the other car had red lit or not until AFTER they had left the line themselves. I have the slower car in Footbrake 90% of the time, being that I race a '67 Valiant street car that runs 8.30 @ 84 mph in the 1/8th mile. I would LOVE to see this rule enacted, as my win percentage would increase, I'm sure. But I am NOT holding my breath while waiting.

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Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: Jacob Pitt] #468735
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So when the redlite comes on for the slower car what's stopping the faster car from just waiting on the green?




Now there is a valid point us foot brake races would have a chance to react ?? maybe but you get focused on your own deal. The 50,000 worth of preditor F16 electronics guys wood not like that as they have the system and computers locked in and on automatic launch so would have to fumble and bumble to abort the launch sequence!! LOL!!

I think the fast car is at some disadvantage of red lighting more often having to wait but overall it may be the first at the most disadvantage of an early red???
Changing the rule may make it a huge advantage to be slow car!!

Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: Dodgem] #468736
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Ol Steve Taylor is still able to ruffle some feathers I see.

Nothing would be displayed to alert or inform the faster driver the other car redlit.

Im really on the fence with this rule. Could go either way to me, doesnt really matter.

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IHRA changing rules..hmmmm.sounds like something NHRA would do.. ..what they should do is disqualify anyone putting the brakelights on at the top end too

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IHRA changing rules..hmmmm.sounds like something NHRA would do.. ..what they should do is disqualify anyone putting the brakelights on at the top end too




Wow, what a moronic statement.

Re: IHRA red light revision in the future? [Re: Garceau] #468740
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I think it has enough merit to consider it. The old First or Worst rule has been around as long as I can remember. Any change is tough to get used to, although a lot of people voted for it last year. It seems like I see the faster cars redlighting more than the slow cars, so I can see why they don't like it. It must be hard to sit there for a couple of seconds if the difference in dial-ins is big?


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IHRA changing rules..hmmmm.sounds like something NHRA would do.. ..what they should do is disqualify anyone putting the brakelights on at the top end too




Wow, what a moronic statement.




Your intitled to you opinion nimrod,but its just another form of cheating to a LOT of racers to put your brakes on to keep from braking out,choose the right dial-in and keep your foot in it..ala pinks allout put the brake lights on your GONE!!!..by the way ever bracket race??..

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Unbelievable, I just cannot understand why anyone would be against correcting a rule that places slower racers at a disadvantage everytime he stages against a faster car. It's just pure logic that says the faster cars have an advantage with that rule. I can definitely understand why the fast guys do not want the rule changed.

I have always been a supporter of this change and in discussions with NHRA several years ago provided them with results of a Monte Carlo simulation which proved without a doubt that the faster car has the advantage. They just wouldn't listen.

HERE'S HOPING IT FINALLY GETS CHANGED!!!!





Here is hoping it doesnt


Not a single good thing could be said for making that change.. High performance makers would sell less because everybody could live with a 13 second car, there would be no reason to spend money in the economy building roll cages, buying trick heads, etc, etc, etc.

Oh, and the 28 fans in the stands at a bracket race watching 7 and 8 and 9 second cars..expect that to be about 5 fans, watching 13 and 15 second cars lumber down the track


I dont know how this subject could possibly have even come up


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IHRA changing rules..hmmmm.sounds like something NHRA would do.. ..what they should do is disqualify anyone putting the brakelights on at the top end too




Wow, what a moronic statement.




Your intitled to you opinion nimrod,but its just another form of cheating to a LOT of racers to put your brakes on to keep from braking out,choose the right dial-in and keep your foot in it..ala pinks allout put the brake lights on your GONE!!!..by the way ever bracket race??..




Um....other than the "moronic statement" part...Have you ever bracket raced?....1/3 of the race is at the big end...




Yes,i have..and putting your brakes on is WRONG...

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Not a single good thing could be said for making that change.. High performance makers would sell less because everybody could live with a 13 second car, there would be no reason to spend money in the economy building roll cages, buying trick heads, etc, etc, etc.



How about the thrill of going faster?


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by the way ever bracket race??..




i was going to ask you the same thing, but someone else beat me to it...

ask anyone that is successful at bracket racing, (not the pinks all out heads up stuff), but the grass roots, sportsman, super stock, stock, hadicapped bracket racing crowd... ask them if they think its cheating to ensure you dont break out.
you are the only person i have ever heard say they thought it was cheating to get on the brakes, the only one EVER... which is why i'm curious about why you think that, seriously, you throw it out enough, but you dont explain... you meet alot of opposition about it not being cheating but part of handicapped racing, and all you say is its the worst kind of cheating... HOW? WHY is it wrong in your head?

do you go to the tower when you race and complain if someone dumps on you as them cheating?

are you seriously saying that you never ever lift? you can be 5 cars on someone and not lift going through the lights???

man i wish i raced at your home track, i'd follow you up every time, the people that know and UNDERSTAND bracket racing already know what I would be doing to you...

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by the way ever bracket race??..




i was going to ask you the same thing, but someone else beat me to it...

ask anyone that is successful at bracket racing, (not the pinks all out heads up stuff), but the grass roots, sportsman, super stock, stock, hadicapped bracket racing crowd... ask them if they think its cheating to ensure you dont break out.
you are the only person i have ever heard say they thought it was cheating to get on the brakes, the only one EVER... which is why i'm curious about why you think that, seriously, you throw it out enough, but you dont explain... you meet alot of opposition about it not being cheating but part of handicapped racing, and all you say is its the worst kind of cheating... HOW? WHY is it wrong in your head?

do you go to the tower when you race and complain if someone dumps on you as them cheating?

are you seriously saying that you never ever lift? you can be 5 cars on someone and not lift going through the lights???

man i wish i raced at your home track, i'd follow you up every time, the people that know and UNDERSTAND bracket racing already know what I would be doing to you...




Lifting is one thing slamming your brakes on is another..and quite a few of the guys i race with consider it cheating...what you would do to me at my track??...maybe losing??...

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Lifting is one thing slamming your brakes on is another..and quite a few of the guys i race with consider it cheating...what you would do to me at my track??...maybe losing??...




There is no difference between lifting and hitting the brakes, either way you are slowing down, the only difference is the rate at which you do so. But go ahead and call me and 95% of the successful racers here cheaters then, because I'm gonna hit the brakes and tighten up the stripe or dump you if I'm not gonna get there. Any championship winning driver will agree.

I don't think anyone understands why you think its cheating to use the brakes.


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