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off-set roller lifter ? #468203 09/14/09 07:21 PM 09/14/09 07:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 OP super stock
mac56 OP super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	For those of you that use them or have used them is there any negative effect to running them. I would think that the off-set cup would side load the tie bar causing wear on the bars or wheel from the load not being centered which would make the lifter try to turn away from the load. Thanks

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: mac56] #468204 09/14/09 07:38 PM 09/14/09 07:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 master
emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Good question, the offset helps the push rod angle< less side load> but the offset lifter cup will apply torque twisting the lifter I think you can key the lifter bore but I have not seen it yet

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: emarine01] #468205 09/14/09 08:41 PM 09/14/09 08:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 OP super stock
mac56 OP super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Yeah I have seen jessels that are keyed on cubbies but I know that isn't in my budget Craig.

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: mac56] #468206 09/14/09 10:07 PM 09/14/09 10:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 169 SW WI C cudacustoms1 member
cudacustoms1 member C Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 169 SW WI	I ran a set of off set lifters in my blower motor with no problems.

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: cudacustoms1] #468207 09/14/09 10:39 PM 09/14/09 10:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,841 NW Indiana F fbs63 top fuel
fbs63 top fuel F Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,841 NW Indiana	I built and ran an FBS headed low deck motor with offset intake rollers. The lifter bores were bushed and never showed any abnormal wear. Springs were #340 on the seat with 1.7 rockers and .816 lift. Bob 5483109-CarPic2.jpg (59 downloads)

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: mac56] #468208 09/14/09 10:49 PM 09/14/09 10:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: For those of you that use them or have used them is there any negative effect to running them. I would think that the off-set cup would side load the tie bar causing wear on the bars or wheel from the load not being centered which would make the lifter try to turn away from the load. Thanks With our lifters, you get oiled bearings via EDM hole which greatly reduces wear from slight side loading. I've used them in blown engines, NOS, NA and no problems. Here's a pic of one... 5483132-solidrollerlifters001.jpg (56 downloads)

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #468209 09/14/09 11:49 PM 09/14/09 11:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 903 Saskatchewan, Canada cudabin super stock
cudabin super stock Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 903 Saskatchewan, Canada	Brian, With the side mounted oil holes parrelel to the axle, do you recommend a restriction in the pushrods when pushrod oiling on an indy Maxx block? These lifters worked great in my unbuhed 400 stock block as is !!! Cheers, Arnie 67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...) 70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: cudabin] #468210 09/14/09 11:59 PM 09/14/09 11:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Brian, With the side mounted oil holes parrelel to the axle, do you recommend a restriction in the pushrods when pushrod oiling on an indy Maxx block? These lifters worked great in my unbuhed 400 stock block as is !!! Cheers, Arnie Well I don't think it's neccessary....but you might want to watch the engine run with the V/C's off to make sure your not flooding the top end. Brian Hafliger

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #468211 09/15/09 12:59 AM 09/15/09 12:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,150 Melbourne , Australia LA360 master
LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,150 Melbourne , Australia	Comp Cams makes an offset Key way lifter. Darren Tedder deals in a lifter brand comparable to Jesel stuff at half the price. I forget his user name, sorry. AL.... Alan Jones

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #468212 09/15/09 12:27 PM 09/15/09 12:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 OP super stock
mac56 OP super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Quote: Quote: For those of you that use them or have used them is there any negative effect to running them. I would think that the off-set cup would side load the tie bar causing wear on the bars or wheel from the load not being centered which would make the lifter try to turn away from the load. Thanks With our lifters, you get oiled bearings via EDM hole which greatly reduces wear from slight side loading. I've used them in blown engines, NOS, NA and no problems. Here's a pic of one... Brian do you recommend bushed lifter bores for your lifers? I see cudabin wrote he used them unbushed without issue.

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: mac56] #468213 09/15/09 01:07 PM 09/15/09 01:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	They are meant to work very well with no bushings! Alot depends on how much lobe lift you run, but you can always have the base circle reduced on the cam when you order it to drop the lifter down some. You should have no problems up to a .450-.460 lobe. I've run .470 lobes with no issues, just needs checking to make sure the oil galley is not uncovered. Brian Hafliger

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: LA360] #468214 09/15/09 01:10 PM 09/15/09 01:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan H Hemiroid super stock
Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: Comp Cams makes an offset Key way lifter. Darren Tedder deals in a lifter brand comparable to Jesel stuff at half the price. I forget his user name, sorry. AL.... DTHemi, and he's a cool dude

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: Hemiroid] #468215 09/15/09 03:13 PM 09/15/09 03:13 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada D Diablo super stock
Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,107 Quebec, Canada	I was told to Run .210 offset lifters in my engine. They look much like the ones shown but the oil holes are front and back. Tim Cole and Comp told me to block one hole and add a little slot from the oil hole to oil galley of the lifter. So far no problems at all. But i did have to machine the block a bit to make sure the oil had a passage to all lifters. I also needed to add higher lifter bushings so the oil holes were not coming out of the lifter hole. My cam is .890 with 1.8 rockers. Kb stage 7 block.

Re: off-set roller lifter ? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #468216 09/15/09 07:39 PM 09/15/09 07:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada mac56 OP super stock
mac56 OP super stock Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 976 ontario canada	Quote: They are meant to work very well with no bushings! Alot depends on how much lobe lift you run, but you can always have the base circle reduced on the cam when you order it to drop the lifter down some. You should have no problems up to a .450-.460 lobe. I've run .470 lobes with no issues, just needs checking to make sure the oil galley is not uncovered. I won't be running any more lift than that.

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