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his is stock with a big muffler, so I wasn't worried about it. He must have used the term to me about riding in or racing his "real car" 3 or 4 times in the 1 day that I saw him.

I think 4 doors are for geeks or mommies.just my opinion. I remember that when I was in high school, if you owned a 4 door and thought it was cool, you got laughed at.

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I would think member Fun4door here would disagree with you.He runs a 4 door 64 Dodge that would probably put a whoopin on your AAR
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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
I wanted to ask him when he was going to grow a set and buy a real car, but I refrained.

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his is stock with a big muffler, so I wasn't worried about it. He must have used the term to me about riding in or racing his "real car" 3 or 4 times in the 1 day that I saw him.

I think 4 doors are for geeks or mommies.just my opinion. I remember that when I was in high school, if you owned a 4 door and thought it was cool, you got laughed at.

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I would think member Fun4door here would disagree with you.He runs a 4 door 64 Dodge that would probably put a whoopin on your AAR
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Issue is on the street the AWD would have really saved his butt. If you run 11s Im sure you would whup him on the strip with traction.

Was he talking about racing in a straight line? Because them cars and the WRX were never made to drag race.

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next time he says that to you just slap him real hard right in the ear and tell him to shut ta eff up.

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i drive a little integra as my daily driver. full interior, 2900lb wt (at local scale) as far as anyone can tell all it has is a big funny muffler too and a short ram air intake. but what u dont see is all the head mods the porting epoxying of the runners (mondello grad did it)inatek is the same, adj cam gears.... with big heavy slow 17" rims, full interior half tank of gas 91 oct. i click off 13.40's all day at about 102mph... never lost to a mustang or camaro or bmw or mercedes or wrx or evo... u never know with todays car... its a n/a motor no nitrous, turbo or any kind of power adder. and once i swap the engine into my 93 civic hatchback (gutted, approx 1800lb) im expecting mid to low 12's with 35mpg and drive it every friking day!!! would u expect that from a flat black civc????? b careful u might just get embarrassed

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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
I wanted to ask him when he was going to grow a set and buy a real car, but I refrained.

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I think 4 doors are for geeks or mommies.just my opinion. I remember that when I was in high school, if you owned a 4 door and thought it was cool, you got laughed at.

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I would be happy to run you in my mommy 4 door if you would like? I have a buddy that has one of these evos that is is daily driver with a bunch of bolt ons. When he turns the boost up at the truck it runs 10 teens all day long.

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Yaa yaaa.... ....I have a buddy....yadda yadda yadda....We all have "buddys" that have a car that can beat your car....
We all know what kind of potential some cars have, its the people that drive them that dont understand.
Don't some people understand the original point of this post??
I do...and I know people like that....they're clueless.
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AAR pulled out on the road and heated up its Quik Time Pros. Evo does a small dry hop. Evo is revving his car to get the boost up. AAR comes up on the converter to about 2800 rpm. Evo is revved up to about 3500 rpm. Starter drops his arms, AAR launches hard with just a wee bit of air under the front tire. Evo hooks good, too, but not as hard. AAR pulls 2 cars right out of the hole. Evo tries to catch up, shifting at 7000 rpms. AAR hits his shift points at 7000 rpms also. AAR is pulling away on the top end. Evo gives up and lets off the gas.
We go back to my house, and I ask, now do you want me to crack open the blue bottle and we go again?

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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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Man this one has been bugging me all day so i thought id throw in my You do realize you challenged him to a race and tell him to drive his car from florida and youll drive your car what an hour to the track? Sure your honda may run good for what it is but why challenge a guy across the country then talk trash saying his car wont make the drive, i dont see your car driving across the country. And if you want to hit up people for races let me direct you this way racefwd.com Im sure youll find something in your area, if not i know plenty of people itching to run your honda. Well have fun with your economy car.

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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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Man this one has been bugging me all day so i thought id throw in my You do realize you challenged him to a race and tell him to drive his car from florida and youll drive your car what an hour to the track? Sure your honda may run good for what it is but why challenge a guy across the country then talk trash saying his car wont make the drive, i dont see your car driving across the country. And if you want to hit up people for races let me direct you this way racefwd.com Im sure youll find something in your area, if not i know plenty of people itching to run your honda. Well have fun with your economy car.

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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
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Careful there that AWD Evo will whoop up on you on the street.

You want to really get his GOAT the next time he starts mouthing. Tell him his EVO is 1/3 Mopar.

Heres how: In the late 80's a company was created call Diamons Star Motors. It was staffed by Mitsubishi, Mopar and Hyundai engineers. With the understanding that all Corporates had equal rights to what ever technology came out of the venture. DSM=Diamond Star Motors brought us the 4G63 engine in cars such as the Plymouth Laser, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon(a chrysler company)and some Hyundai car?? Later it was also used in the Mitsu Galant VR-4 which eventually evolved into the EVO.(hence the name EVOlution) To this day the EVO still carries the 4G63 engine in a reverse configuration.

NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!!

GOOD DAY!!

I have a 1991 Plymouth Laser myself.

I have personally helped a guy get his Eclipse from 14.0's to 11.30's for less than $4500 with bolt ons.

Of all the imports out there. EVOs, Eclipse, Laser, Talon, and Supras are ones I don't even take my chances with.

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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
I wanted to ask him when he was going to grow a set and buy a real car, but I refrained.

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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
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his is stock with a big muffler, so I wasn't worried about it. He must have used the term to me about riding in or racing his "real car" 3 or 4 times in the 1 day that I saw him.

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Those two cars have to be the 10% of early Mopar muscle that have been tuned to the razor edge.
You have to agree that most of these cars wont run a 13.50 when you see them at the track.Hell I have watched owners of resto cars that wont even hit a 15.0 when they "see what it will do" on the track.
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AAR pulled out on the road and heated up its Quik Time Pros. Evo does a small dry hop. Evo is revving his car to get the boost up. AAR comes up on the converter to about 2800 rpm. Evo is revved up to about 3500 rpm. Starter drops his arms, AAR launches hard with just a wee bit of air under the front tire. Evo hooks good, too, but not as hard. AAR pulls 2 cars right out of the hole. Evo tries to catch up, shifting at 7000 rpms. AAR hits his shift points at 7000 rpms also. AAR is pulling away on the top end. Evo gives up and lets off the gas.
We go back to my house, and I ask, now do you want me to crack open the blue bottle and we go again?

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Just come on down to Etown on a typical Wed. night. Just bring your hardhat so you don't wind up in the hospital from all of the junk flying off these things.

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When talking stock restored muscle cars running 15's it makes you realize how important the tune is on the old muscle cars with points and timing adjustments. And all the carb settings. My point is you can take 2 of the same muscle cars and run 14.95 in one and 13.50 in the other because the points are worn and the timing way retarded. But the modern cars are basically all electronicly tuned. As 2 of them might run 13.60 and 13.50 with the driver being the difference. So it is real important to have the tune right on our old muscle to get the most out of it.

As for the race its a crapshoot depending on what is done to each car. And the turbo ricer will respond alot to simple mods changing the boost. I really dont like the ricer Jap cars myself but I do respect that they can run good. Now if you take away the power adder you will definetly kill him ! Ron

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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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The cars are quick, theres no doubt about it. You can call me closed minded all you want but I have a buddy with a 300ZX Twin Turbo, and another with a Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 out of an Eclipse GST running upwards of 20 pounds of boost. I drove it, it was fast (had nothing under 4000 rpm though), but im not into it. There is still no replacement for displacement. At the end of the day if you want to match the boost of any smaller engine running boost, you will make more power.

As far as the EVOs and STis go, they are very over rated due to the 0-60 times and ETs that they run because of their AWD. If you race one from a stop then that matters, but in my area most racing is done from a roll. My friends ZX TT has absolutely waxed every STi thats ever challenged it from a roll and its pretty stock. He only raced one EVO and by 90 he had put enough distance between them that the EVO gave up.

Also, have you ever calculated the first gear ratio in one of those things? They arent surprisingly quick because they are so much lighter than our cars (theyre not) or because there is some black magic to the engines. They are geared extremely quick. First overall is over 13:1 and even second is like 9:1. With that kind of gearing it better move.

I know my competition, and I know how much money these guys dump in their cars. One guy I know of is 60000 into his car to put down almost 500 at the wheels. Even a used high mileage EVO costs 15 K + and thats a good deal. At the point at which I'm 15000 into my car it will be in the 11s with a FRESH engine, not a 100000 mile engine that some kid has beaten the crap out of before me which has had two atomospheres of pressure inside the combustion chamber everytime the pedal was mashed.

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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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we used to street race on a nice open strip up there, right off Oralabor Rd-i think E 29th? on the very southeast edge of town . Im sure its all developed up there by now

If you want to run your car at Eddyville before this season is over -- send me a PM - i race there all the time.

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What 1/4 mile time does your AAR cuda run? Just curious because it's harder to put down that kind of power on the street on crappy asphalt with a torqey rwd than a awd car that's softer on the bottom end. You could easily spin hard on the launch and he could have hooked hard and put a length on you right at launch. Once you hooked I'm sure you'd have reeled him in but in his mind he'd have already won. That and I'm sure you're not gonna be lifting any tires on the street. Surface streets are just not that great for traction: dust, dirt, asphalt hurt a rwd more than a awd. But then even if you did a horrid launch there's every possibility the guy can't drive his own car for crap and you'd smoke him anyway.

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Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street. With its whopping 6mpg i'd be stupid to claim it was a driver.

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God how I love to lol

69b3gt- look here, goldmember- first said I need to bring cash to race him... So with your whole drive across the country b.s. stuff why not pick on him for saying the same thing
Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street.






Sorry,you missed the I installed in the challenge to kill your pile of crap. It's a joke!! Get it!! I don't pick on the local Honda pilots and even have buddies with turbo charged/stippers that run pretty well,when they actually aren't broken! Don't bring up what others have for fast cars as it's not important and is useless,YADDAYADDA. I have friends that race 7 second rides on the street for large $$$$,but I'm not the type to claim it has any bearing on my rides or habits. Your really wasting time here. Good luck with your very fast car and your dreams.

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493 dart
Thats very impressive you bought your car when u were 16, good for u. as did i. (actually 15) 11 years ago. now here is where the problem lies, would u sell your dart to a kid that wanted a muscle car for an affordable price? i.e. 2500? NO? Hmmm didn't think so. so now we have a market of cars that young kids cannot afford to purchase, maintain or even get gas for.
Well, heck i guess we should look down on them (and myself) and talk smack to them and the cars they have. Even though the blood sweat and tears that go into everyones car are the same. I mean that is unless you pay somebody to turn wrenches on yours...
so now that u have this dart, i have my barracuda and this guy has his... and that guy has a ... all of a sudden the $250 darts and cudas and camaros and novas are gone... and people probably much like yourself want 35,000 for their car. or the guys that have 25k invested and want 12500 for the roller with 90% of the parts to make it run. so yes, lets turn up our noses at hondas, mitsubishis, kias, or whatever has a fart can attached to it. beacause you know what, who cares if they can't afford to buy one of your over priced mid life crisis cars. No excuse!!! you mowed lawns to and ran backwards through corn fields naked in 98 degree heat when u were
16!!!! and lets just analyze this for one second more.... u did all of this while u were 16 and bought a car? obviously it wassn't purrrdeee when you got it. must have been pretty cheeeeeeep! but heck they were around just 10 short years ago, i know cuz i got mine after running backwards through corn fields too


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Thats very impressive you bought your car when u were 16, good for u. as did i. (actually 15) 11 years ago. now here is where the problem lies, would u sell your dart to a kid that wanted a muscle car for an affordable price? i.e. 2500? NO? Hmmm didn't think so. so now we have a market of cars that young kids cannot afford to purchase, maintain or even get gas for.
Well, heck i guess we should look down on them (and myself) and talk smack to them and the cars they have. Even though the blood sweat and tears that go into everyones car are the same. I mean that is unless you pay somebody to turn wrenches on yours...
so now that u have this dart, i have my barracuda and this guy has his... and that guy has a ... all of a sudden the $250 darts and cudas and camaros and novas are gone... and people probably much like yourself want 35,000 for their car. or the guys that have 25k invested and want 12500 for the roller with 90% of the parts to make it run. so yes, lets turn up our noses at hondas, mitsubishis, kias, or whatever has a fart can attached to it. beacause you know what, who cares if they can't afford to buy one of your over priced mid life crisis cars. No excuse!!! you mowed lawns to and ran backwards through corn fields naked in 98 degree heat when u were
16!!!! and lets just analyze this for one second more.... u did all of this while u were 16 and bought a car? obviously it wassn't purrrdeee when you got it. must have been pretty cheeeeeeep! but heck they were around just 10 short years ago, i know cuz i got mine after running backwards through corn fields too


im sorry to all, i just can't seem to stop myself

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Kids that cant afford old cars? maybe just everyone has too high of expectations...my car may very well be a pile but sitting at like 1900 including all the sanding, primer, rims, tires, getting it running, SBP disc swap and the cost of the car (and an A body 8 3/4 housing, backing plates, 71 virgin 340 block that is apart and other things)And i bought my car just over a year ago so cheap cars are still out there, i guess most kids CAN afford to build muscle cars, the fact is they are all hung up on "the fast and the furious" and think they can do the same things. Apparently most kids just choose to drive riced out piles and THINK they are fast.

Sorry i couldnt stop myself either

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wow... 493 u obvioulsy missed the entire point of the corn field reference... sadly i guess its a bit much to hope for some kind of higer intelligence. LOL.
I dont get why u guys take everything so dang literal, ok so u dont have 35k in your car (b.s.) how can a kid buy one of these things especially with todays economy and nobody wanting to spend the money for a "kid" to get his car.

I'm going to bet ur from back east huh?
what ever i'm over it...... for now. Ill respond with more fun tomorrow or later, i gotta go get ripped with my bong... idiot... Most people who have AA tag lines u know they are actively in the disease... must be the south east

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"Have to cut the kids some slack. Yeah they like Hondas. That is probably all they or their parents can afford. When your under 25yrs old the cost of ownership of a car of any sort is expensive enough. Much less adding the modifying. "



you gotta be F kiddin !!!

I BOUGHT my own car when I was that age . I MOWED LAWNS and washed freakin dishes and De-Tassled corn for HOURS in 98 degree heat to earn money to buy my car when i was 16 .

If their parents are BUYING these kids these Rice boxes -- i have 100% LESS respect for them now !

I remember the pleasure i had when my road runner spanked all the cars in high school , ESPECIALLY the rich kids who's mommy bought the car for them

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I bought my own car as well before I was 16. Worked at a convenient store and Horse farm. Paid $850 for it took me almost 14 months to save up the money. It was a 1981 Chevy Luv (Isuzu). Traded it for 2 vehicles 1970 Chevy Pick-up and a Ford Thunder-bird before I was 16.

I only wish someone would have paid me to Shuck Corn. I had to do it for free in 100*+ Georgia summer heat and Humidity.

All that go out and work and be an Adult at 16 is BS. I was a straight A student in school until I got a job & car. Then fell to barely cutting B's.

Funny how all the kids around me that Mom & Dad helped them get their Cars and Not working were still making Straight A's.

In today's world that old mentality of go out and get a job isn't cutting it any more. Better get the education first.

Even if you do decide and can find a job as a 16 year old your looking at $5-6/hr and maybe 25-30hrs/week that turns out to about $100-180/week. After Fuel and Insurance your Broke. Even if you paid for the vehicle outright.

Times have changed. Either you change and progress with them or get left behind.

Like was said before. Try to buy any kind of Muscle anything today on a Teenagers income??

I sold that 1970 truck I mentioned before in 1993 for $400, today the same heap (it was in sad shape BUT drive-able) would cost you an easy $2500+. And still need another $1000-2500 to be street worthy.

I sold my Feather Duster in 2004 for $2200 thinking I could get another one later for about the same price. Slant-6 4-speed Duster, not very sought after should be cheap. Yeah RIGHT I started looking in 2006 when I got back from Kuwait. Anything that didn't need work just to be able to drive was $5000+.

I got 3 kids of my own.
I'm still debating whether they are even getting cars of their own before they graduate???

Even if I do decide to let them, I'll probably buy it and it will be what ever I can afford at the time, and they will be doing the Work to get it road worthy and the Maintenance. BUT I won't be like my parents who left it all up to me. I will jump in and Guide them. Be a DAD for them.

That's what Dad's are suppose to do support, nurture, and guide your kids. That responsibility doesn't end until you or they die.

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wow... 493 u obvioulsy missed the entire point of the corn field reference... sadly i guess its a bit much to hope for some kind of higer intelligence. LOL.
I dont get why u guys take everything so dang literal, ok so u dont have 35k in your car (b.s.) how can a kid buy one of these things especially with todays economy and nobody wanting to spend the money for a "kid" to get his car.

I'm going to bet ur from back east huh?
what ever i'm over it...... for now. Ill respond with more fun tomorrow or later, i gotta go get ripped with my bong... idiot... Most people who have AA tag lines u know they are actively in the disease... must be the south east

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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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Nice sentence structure. Where did you go to school?

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his is stock with a big muffler, so I wasn't worried about it. He must have used the term to me about riding in or racing his "real car" 3 or 4 times in the 1 day that I saw him.

I think 4 doors are for geeks or mommies.just my opinion. I remember that when I was in high school, if you owned a 4 door and thought it was cool, you got laughed at.

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Should have told him that "real cars" increase in value, not the other way around.