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Wedge or Hemi #467675 09/14/09 05:56 AM 09/14/09 05:56 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 952 Stockholm, Sweden MrSixpack OP super stock
MrSixpack OP super stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 952 Stockholm, Sweden	My friend wants me to help him building a 1000hp street�n strip engine. No problem for me. He tells me money is no problem, but I know he does not know what a good engine will cost. So he rings me last nigh telling me is on the net getting ready to order a block, I told him wait and let me check things out first. So we are going to use a iron block, the key to the build is low maintenance. He is not a engine guy and I can not help him all the time. So a big cube wedge or hemi, but what is the best bang for the bucks. I think a 550 somthing with the big indy heads, so what do you think 1970 Super Stock Challenger ex. Paul Rossi 1968 Dodge Dart GT 340 1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual 1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded 1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440 1968 Mini Cooper

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467676 09/14/09 06:11 AM 09/14/09 06:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 866 Winnipeg ,Mb. CA. chryco super stock
chryco super stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 866 Winnipeg ,Mb. CA.	How much you got ???? Gas is fer washin' parts ....Alky`s fer drinkin' ...Nitro`s fer Racin'!

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467677 09/14/09 06:16 AM 09/14/09 06:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	better be planning on a turbo or pro charger. 1000 in street trim will be very hard.

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467678 09/14/09 06:23 AM 09/14/09 06:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s B BDS871Cuda top fuel
BDS871Cuda top fuel B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s	Quote: My friend wants me to help him building a 1000hp street�n strip engine. No problem for me. He tells me money is no problem, so what do you think Call Roy Johnson and have him build you a 605 Hemi or Wedge, what ever you want. On pump gas he will make over 1000 HP easy. Larry Morgan might have some good deals on Hemi stuff at the end of the season. Money is no problem? Right! Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: BDS871Cuda] #467679 09/14/09 07:18 AM 09/14/09 07:18 AM
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72Challenger pro stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,260 Netherlands	bang for the buck... cast iron wedge 4.5" bore stroker kit (you want it all forged anyway) indy sr heads or something like that hydraulic roller cam for the low maint procharger Sound slike a low maintenance, cheaper then a hemi, torque hp monster. But the engine guys will have more and properbly better options I guess. '

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467680 09/14/09 07:30 AM 09/14/09 07:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA Defbob master
Defbob master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA	572ci or more. but as the other guys said, 1000hp n/a is quite difficult especially when you throw in low maint. he'll be changing valve springs alot. n/a you'll need heads that flow over 450cfm. so you're looking at ported B1's, ported Pred, ported Hemi, or Hemi 99

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Defbob] #467681 09/14/09 08:18 AM 09/14/09 08:18 AM
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The Shadow top fuel T Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,175 Duloc	He's not asking for much is he? Tim at FHO built me a pump gas procharged 547" hemi. It made 1066hp 14 pounds of boost. He just built a 604" hemi that made 1100 hp. 14:1 mopar cross ram intake. It will be more difficult to do in a wedge then a hemi.

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: The Shadow] #467682 09/14/09 08:34 AM 09/14/09 08:34 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 952 Stockholm, Sweden MrSixpack OP super stock
MrSixpack OP super stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 952 Stockholm, Sweden	I think this is all good, now I can show him what you say and write, even if I tell him the same thing he must have a second opinion Just becouse I built my latest SixPack engine and it made just under 700 hp in Super Stock mode he thinks it's easy to just go a little bigger and get 1000hp. He has no clue in what it thakes to make my 440 to live at 700hp. I will now tell him he need at least $40-50.000 to get a 600cui monster that makes 1000hp easy and are reliable on the street. Thanks 1970 Super Stock Challenger ex. Paul Rossi 1968 Dodge Dart GT 340 1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual 1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded 1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440 1968 Mini Cooper

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467683 09/14/09 08:54 AM 09/14/09 08:54 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,026 Trumbull,CT. J jim sciortino top fuel
jim sciortino top fuel J Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,026 Trumbull,CT.	There are a number of ways to do this. Ask him what he like to look at....Screw, roots, oxide, turbo, procharger, big cube N/A, etc. Let him narrow it down, then come back for specifics.

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467684 09/14/09 12:13 PM 09/14/09 12:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA	I have made more HP and torque building wedge motors than with Hemi motors My choice would be a max ported set of B1 and a World block with either 4.5 bore and 4.5 stroke or 4.625 stroke, pump gas and a 150 or 200 HP NOS set up Last edited by Cab_Burge; 09/14/09 10:21 PM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Cab_Burge] #467685 09/14/09 05:34 PM 09/14/09 05:34 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,387 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,387 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	I would call best machine and go for a set of the Predator heads on a 572 or bigger with the cast single 4 barrel intake and a dominator. It might not make the full 1000hp, but it should be over 900hp and very reliable. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

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Re: Wedge or Hemi #467687 09/14/09 06:35 PM 09/14/09 06:35 PM
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Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,106 Quebec, Canada	Big cubes Fully ported B1-Mc engine

Re: Wedge or Hemi #467688 09/14/09 07:15 PM 09/14/09 07:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan H Hemiroid super stock
Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: forced induction pump gas hemi Yep, not gonna see 1000 streetable horsepower from a n/a motor. And if you're going to blow something, it might as well be the engine that responds best to it.

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Hemiroid] #467689 09/14/09 07:54 PM 09/14/09 07:54 PM
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Sledge_57 master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,027 Dearborn Hts, MI	Big (500+) twin turbo Hemi ought to be easy enough. My buddy with the Chevy 502 (502 crate motor) twin turbo Ford Ranger made 1000+ to the wheels with this combo. Doug 1967 "Pedal Car" 500" low deck , TF 727, 4.30 Locker Best to Date: 11.67 @ 114.9 1.64 60ft "Kids in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause kids..."

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Hemiroid] #467690 09/14/09 08:02 PM 09/14/09 08:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,981 SE Michigan TS3303 top fuel
TS3303 top fuel Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,981 SE Michigan	pump gas Predator head on a Hemi block will make 1000+ N/A

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Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: TS3303] #467692 09/14/09 08:11 PM 09/14/09 08:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan H Hemiroid super stock
Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: pump gas Predator head on a Hemi block will make 1000+ N/A Yes it will. But because it runs on pump gas doesn't necessarily make it street able. If by street able you mean it will survive the NMCA 30 mile run, ok. Not sure I'd really consider a predator engine that's 600" with a huge roller street able but that's just me. Your mileage may vary

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Sledge_57] #467693 09/14/09 08:12 PM 09/14/09 08:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan H Hemiroid super stock
Hemiroid super stock H Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 705 Michigan	Quote: Big (500+) twin turbo Hemi ought to be easy enough. My buddy with the Chevy 502 (502 crate motor) twin turbo Ford Ranger made 1000+ to the wheels with this combo. I saw that at the last heads-up race at Milan I believe. Pretty wild!

Re: Wedge or Hemi #467694 09/14/09 08:14 PM 09/14/09 08:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,027 Dearborn Hts, MI Sledge_57 master
Sledge_57 master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 4,027 Dearborn Hts, MI	Quote: Quote: Big (500+) twin turbo Hemi ought to be easy enough. My buddy with the Chevy 502 (502 crate motor) twin turbo Ford Ranger made 1000+ to the wheels with this combo big deal 2000 at crank with 450 Hemi and only 28lb boost web page He's looking for streetable Fred, this truck gets driven 500 miles a week on the street. I'm guessing yours will never have 500 miles total on it Doug 1967 "Pedal Car" 500" low deck , TF 727, 4.30 Locker Best to Date: 11.67 @ 114.9 1.64 60ft "Kids in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause kids..."

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: MrSixpack] #467695 09/14/09 08:28 PM 09/14/09 08:28 PM
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blown572dart master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,067 Orlando Florida	Blown Hemi

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Re: Wedge or Hemi #467697 09/14/09 08:39 PM 09/14/09 08:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,067 Orlando Florida blown572dart master
blown572dart master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,067 Orlando Florida	LMAO

Re: Wedge or Hemi #467698 09/14/09 09:00 PM 09/14/09 09:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york hemi-itis I Live Here
hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york	Quote: Quote: Blown Hemi how would you know ? someone must have told you so YUP,I keep sayin',,,,,,BOOST IS A BEEEEEUUUUUUTTTTEEEEEEEEFFUUUULLLLLLLLLLL THING!! 5482792-112-1275_IMG.JPG (270 downloads) HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Hemiroid] #467699 09/14/09 10:00 PM 09/14/09 10:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro top fuel
RylisPro top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	Quote: Not sure I'd really consider a predator engine that's 600" with a huge roller street able but that's just me. Your mileage may vary 572 EFI COP Predator street cuz it has power steering 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: RylisPro] #467700 09/14/09 10:19 PM 09/14/09 10:19 PM
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TrxR super stock T Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 973 New Brunswick, Canada	I would think a 500CI with atleast a 91mm turbo should easily pull off 1000HP on pump fuel and be streetable? At least I hope so as that is my plans:) Now the question is how much extra is it going to cost him to go Hemi over wedge if starting from scratch.

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: TrxR] #467701 09/14/09 10:30 PM 09/14/09 10:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york hemi-itis I Live Here
hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york	Priceout a good wedge head with T&D rockers and shafts VS a HEMI head with roller rockers.Would not be surprised if there is only a 2500 difference,hemi being more 5483080-ShortBlockPiston2.jpg (299 downloads) HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

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Re: Wedge or Hemi #467703 09/14/09 11:02 PM 09/14/09 11:02 PM
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HPMike master H Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,446 NJ-USA	http://www.ultrastreet.net/engines/632_bigdawg_bc.asp MB

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: RylisPro] #467704 09/14/09 11:39 PM 09/14/09 11:39 PM
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Saskabusa enthusiast S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 259 Scatchamatoon	Quote: 572 EFI COP Predator What type of coils are those? 1974 Roadrunner 1967 Charger

Re: Wedge or Hemi [Re: Saskabusa] #467705 09/15/09 03:38 AM 09/15/09 03:38 AM
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B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Hot rod did an artical on one a while back that made around 1000 in street trim and over 1300 with max boost. IIRC, it had Indy or Victors and used a stock block(yes! a 40 year old stock block) The motor you are talking about could cost 20K(using an aluminum block etc) but not anywhere near 50K

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