Dana 60 or 9 inch
#457154
09/02/09 02:51 AM
09/02/09 02:51 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470 Sydney,Australia
tex013
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470
Sydney,Australia
|
forget the BS over originality. what would be best ? 3710lb 68 satellite street/strip. I would be looking at 4.1 gears and detroit locker with stock mopar rear brakes All items will have to be imported so my $ numbers tend to be higher Tex
New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457155
09/02/09 03:35 AM
09/02/09 03:35 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,933 Finalnd, Perkele
jyrki
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,933
Finalnd, Perkele
|
I chose Dana because it was less $. Thinking about it now, spending the 1000$ more for the similar level 9" would have propably not been a bad investment.
Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457156
09/02/09 03:51 AM
09/02/09 03:51 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149 Melbourne , Australia
LA360
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149
Melbourne , Australia
|
Soucing parts for a Dana in Australia can be a challenge and we usually have to pay for the privilidge. I would stick with a 9", as there are parts everywhere for those things. Try and find a 9" housing out of a F100 or F150 as they are the beefiest. I bought a Strange housing for my project. AL....
Alan Jones
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: jughed]
#457159
09/02/09 07:09 AM
09/02/09 07:09 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,933 Finalnd, Perkele
jyrki
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,933
Finalnd, Perkele
|
I did just that, and I haven't changed gear ratios or had much problems with the Dana. I don't have to change gear ratios, cause I would need a longer gear than the 4.10, and no such pro gears for Danas. The axle to housing attachment seems to be a problem in a Dana too, but can propably be helped with LPW cover and girdle. It also weighs more than a 9". And the resale value and ease is quite different. But I guess, that for most people a Dana would work just as well as a good 9".
Plynouth VIP '67 TT IC EFI
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457161
09/02/09 10:15 AM
09/02/09 10:15 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,016 Polson, MT
DoctorDiff
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 8,016
Polson, MT
|
For a heavy, torquey street/strip car you can't beat a new Dana 60 assy.
Bolt-in 35 spline S-60 assy $1875 Upgrade to Detroit Locker $370
TOTAL $2245
A comparable, street type 9" will cost more, weigh about the same, and rob more power. In addition, as far as I know, all street 9" gears use the tiny, 28 spline pinion.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: jughed]
#457162
09/02/09 11:17 AM
09/02/09 11:17 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
since money is tight, you would spend less with the Dana. a good 9" drop-in pumpkin with all the bells and whistles will cost more than a complete Dana. if you want to build a 9" that will be as strong as a Dana, you will spend a fortune. you already know what gears you want, that eliminates the biggest benefit of having a furd 9"...changing gears in a hurry.
i ordered a Dana from Strange with exactly what you want, plus race axles...$1800...a lot cheaper than a similar 9" setup.
if you're wanting to really save money, get a truck Dana, or 9" from the junk yard
not speaking as a purist, just facts
not really, you can get an aluminum center section complete for under $1500
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Quicktree]
#457163
09/02/09 12:09 PM
09/02/09 12:09 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,880 USA
Ron Silva
top fuel
|
top fuel
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,880
USA
|
I called up Mark Williams Enterprises and I was starting from scratch and I told them we can run whatever they want in my car. This is what they sent me.
Last edited by dragrcr97; 09/02/09 12:57 PM.
SRT DEMON ONE SEAT
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Keith Black®]
#457167
09/02/09 06:01 PM
09/02/09 06:01 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470 Sydney,Australia
tex013
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470
Sydney,Australia
|
Darren, can you call me in Sydney,02 9938 5775 Tex
New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: DoctorDiff]
#457168
09/02/09 06:04 PM
09/02/09 06:04 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470 Sydney,Australia
tex013
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470
Sydney,Australia
|
dr diff,a mate of mine has one of your dana's in his dart,very nice.what sort of turn around are you looking at.must have a 1350 pinion.shipping to LA ? Tex
Last edited by Tex013; 09/02/09 06:07 PM.
New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457170
09/02/09 06:21 PM
09/02/09 06:21 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,558 Rittman Ohio
fourgearsavoy
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,558
Rittman Ohio
|
Well I have had both under my car and the Dana looks WAY cooler but the 9" is much easier to change gears on.Sometimes I wish I would have kept the 9" but then I look at the Dana under my car and I say "yeah you made the right choice" So if you want easy gear changes go with the 9",but if you want it to be cool and strong that you can tune to the gear go with the Dana Gus
64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Locomotion]
#457172
09/02/09 07:29 PM
09/02/09 07:29 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Dana 60 is more efficient - tales less HP to turn!
yea but it looses that advantage with extra weight
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457175
09/02/09 08:03 PM
09/02/09 08:03 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,931 NC
440Jim
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,931
NC
|
Quote:
3710lb
This will have people on both sides. But the weight makes me think Dana 60.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: 70HemiGTX]
#457178
09/02/09 08:51 PM
09/02/09 08:51 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149 Melbourne , Australia
LA360
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149
Melbourne , Australia
|
Ring a few places and see what they have in stock, and what needs to be ordered in and a lead time. Dana stuff seems to be a little tricky to get here in Melbourne, but anyone who specilises in Ford F Truck differentials should carry abit of it. AL...
Alan Jones
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: bdaz smblk]
#457180
09/02/09 08:53 PM
09/02/09 08:53 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149 Melbourne , Australia
LA360
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149
Melbourne , Australia
|
Pro Stock runs a 9.5" center section. Alot of Comp Eliminator guys with run a Strange GM 12 Bolt centre in a 9" Housing. AL....
Alan Jones
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: DoctorDiff]
#457182
09/02/09 09:07 PM
09/02/09 09:07 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Once again, the big boys don't run 9" rearends, they run 9.5" and larger.
There is virtually NO weight difference between a NEW S-60, and a comparable NEW 9" with fab housing.
I know, but why?
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: LA360]
#457183
09/02/09 10:18 PM
09/02/09 10:18 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470 Sydney,Australia
tex013
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470
Sydney,Australia
|
Al, noone has much dana on the shelf.a qld ford f guy does have the best selection.to get a good 9" is around 4 weeks minimum,noone seems to carry axles definately no mopar ends.i can air freight a strange dana in for about the same or 2-300 more looks like a dana will be it.will try a 4.11 8 3/4 centre in the mean time at The Nationals next week.this also gives me a chance to try this ratio as i only have a 3.89 at the moment.i do run a 29.5" street tyre,28" et street radial strip,so i don't think the ratio change will hurt on the street or top end.Traps at 6000/6100 @118+ now thanks for all thoughts Tex
New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: tex013]
#457184
09/02/09 11:47 PM
09/02/09 11:47 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149 Melbourne , Australia
LA360
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,149
Melbourne , Australia
|
It gets quite annoying at time when people don't stock Mopar stuff. I think with the current Ecconmonic climate, alot of companies are ordering parts as required. I know Q Pac in QLD were machining their own axles in house, I don't remember the turn around. It's been a while since I have had to buy alot of this stuff, and I imported it all myself anyway. Some of it, EG - The gears, I would have been better off buying locally. (The freight was ridiculous) AL....
Alan Jones
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: blown572dart]
#457185
09/03/09 09:26 AM
09/03/09 09:26 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,165 Left Coast
BobR
master
|
master
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,165
Left Coast
|
Quote:
Quote:
aftermarket 9" all the way.
As do I. As for the parasitic power loss the aftermarket addressed this long ago and there are 9.5's available(Dewco)that are far more efficient than the Dana. And Cass was right about using the 9.5 and larger for ultimate performance. Any pro stock cars run the Dana? Any comp cars? For the street the Danas are great. For the track the benefits of the Ford type rears are numerous.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: S/ST 3040]
#457188
09/03/09 11:11 AM
09/03/09 11:11 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Oh man........that picture is going to open another can of worms.
Happy Birthday Gilberto!
you mean the bad pinion angle
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Quicktree]
#457189
09/03/09 11:13 AM
09/03/09 11:13 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Quote:
Oh man........that picture is going to open another can of worms.
Happy Birthday Gilberto!
you mean the bad pinion angle
really it's hard to tell anything with out the car setting on the ground
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: SB449VALIANT]
#457192
09/03/09 11:24 AM
09/03/09 11:24 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Thanks Vic...
yea Happy Birthday
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: bdaz smblk]
#457193
09/03/09 12:03 PM
09/03/09 12:03 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,165 Left Coast
BobR
master
|
master
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 8,165
Left Coast
|
Quote:
Quote:
ok , whats the power limit on a dana? why doesn't SS/AH still run them? why don't pro stockers run them if they are faster?
Because there is alot better gear selection for a 9".
There is a whole lot more to it than this. A WHOLE LOT.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: BobR]
#457194
09/03/09 12:10 PM
09/03/09 12:10 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,725 Portage,michigan
B3422W5
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,725
Portage,michigan
|
I wouldnt discredit a dana because of weight.
I swapped my broken 8.75 out for a dana and saw nothing ET wise by doing the swap, in spite of gaining about 35-40 pounds, and having added b body drum brakes on to the equation at the same time( a body 8.75 and smaller a body drums were what car had).. Must be the dana is effecient, and the weight is in a place it doesnt hurt.
Last edited by B3422W5; 09/03/09 12:11 PM.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.56 at 104.17
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: B3422W5]
#457195
09/03/09 12:22 PM
09/03/09 12:22 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky
instigator
super stock
|
super stock
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,090
north cakalaky
|
Because a Dana or strange 60 just looks right sitting under a mopar...
65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: smokinwoody]
#457197
09/03/09 02:32 PM
09/03/09 02:32 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,418 Mcallen, TX
SB449VALIANT
pro stock
|
pro stock
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,418
Mcallen, TX
|
Quote:
who cares what rear ya use!!!! run what ya brung and what you can afford..
and Happy Birthday Gilberto...
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: instigator]
#457198
09/03/09 06:44 PM
09/03/09 06:44 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Because a Dana or strange 60 just looks right sitting under a mopar...
as it does under a ford truck
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Quicktree]
#457199
09/03/09 07:24 PM
09/03/09 07:24 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,895 Florida
Locomotion
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,895
Florida
|
Quote:
Quote:
Because a Dana or strange 60 just looks right sitting under a mopar...
as it does under a ford truck
That was one of Ford's "Better Ideas"!
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: RemCharger]
#457201
09/04/09 02:22 PM
09/04/09 02:22 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 102 Virginia
MACDiesel
member
|
member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 102
Virginia
|
Check out the June '08 issue of Car Craft. They did a 9" vs 12bolt vs dana 60 shoot out. For the street, it kinda comes down to: when do you need a 9.75" ring gear? Or a super strong 9"? Then again, if your racing, bigger is better. The good ole 8 3/4 can handle a ton of power. Why not stick with the lighter (faster) set up? Oh yeah, a BIG, FAT to Car Craft for throwing the ford 8.8 in that article and leaving out the 8 3/4!
Last edited by MACDiesel; 09/04/09 02:27 PM.
-1967 Belvedere II 440/4speed
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: MACDiesel]
#457202
09/04/09 02:30 PM
09/04/09 02:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Check out the June '08 issue of Car Craft. They did a 9" vs 12bolt vs dana 60 shoot out.
For the street, it kinda comes down to: when do you need a 9.75" ring gear? Or a super strong 9"? Then again, if your racing, bigger is better.
The good ole 8 3/4 can handle a ton of power. Why not stick with the lighter (faster) set up?
Oh yeah, a BIG, FAT to Car Craft for throwing the ford 8.8 in that article and leaving out the 8 3/4!
well stick around a while and you will see a few dozen good ole 8 3/4s bite the dust. on a street car they will last forever. throw a real set of slicks, a little weight, and decent hp anf they are gone.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Quicktree]
#457203
09/04/09 04:32 PM
09/04/09 04:32 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 102 Virginia
MACDiesel
member
|
member
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 102
Virginia
|
Really? Even the build Moser ones?
-1967 Belvedere II 440/4speed
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: MACDiesel]
#457204
09/04/09 04:38 PM
09/04/09 04:38 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
Quote:
Really? Even the build Moser ones?
the ring and pinion will always be the weak point no matter what you name it or how it's built. if I were going to use an 83/4 it would be an aluminum case.
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: B3422W5]
#457206
09/04/09 04:54 PM
09/04/09 04:54 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
Quicktree
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 32,394
|
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: superwrench]
#457210
09/05/09 01:22 AM
09/05/09 01:22 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667 Arizona
Chris'sBarracuda
master
|
master
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,667
Arizona
|
I personally have never broke a 9"..I don't have enough power.. But I was in Denver for a race and wanted to try a 5.29 gear.. There were several guys that had spares for me to just pop in.. That was my personal experience. Now I have 2 sets of third members.. 1 for altitude.. Chris..
|
|
|
Re: Dana 60 or 9 inch
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
#457211
09/05/09 01:39 AM
09/05/09 01:39 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470 Sydney,Australia
tex013
OP
top fuel
|
OP
top fuel
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,470
Sydney,Australia
|
Hi, thanks for all the ideas. dr diff thanks. anyone from down here knows how pricey any choice is to be made up. have borrowed a 4.1 8 3/4 for next weekend .if the car likes it through the trap it wll be a dana. if not a 9 inch. bearing in mind i have only been running a 3.91 rear gear. and yes it easier to obtain the 9 inch stuff BUT the dana is cooler we'll see thanks again Tex
New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
|
|
|
|
|