Re: Filler primer
[Re: dartphil]
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08/31/09 11:37 PM
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Here is a good one that I use, occasionally. It is different from most as it is a polyester resin like body filler. Most 2K primers are polyurethane resin. Feather fill has great filling and sanding properties. I like it for fiberglass too as fiberglass resin is usually polyester resin. As far as polyurethane primers, I haven't seen the advantage to the "High Dollar" products. I admit I haven't tried the chroma base though, and would be interested to hear why it is worth the price.  Mark http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=171
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: Chally426]
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09/01/09 03:08 PM
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Could you tell us why it is worth that kind of money? As long as it fills, sands easy and dont shrink, what possibly could make the Dupont worth 350.00 
Just asking!!
{quote} I like the 2K Napa stuff
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Rather than go into a big spiel about painting, and what providing a good base foundation intails,.......you use quality products and the end result is a paint job that looks like a $15K-$20K professional paint job,....you use NAPA brand products, or the other "cheaper" brands you end up with paint job akin to a roller and brush job
Think of it as going to a fine resturant and looking at the guy next to you eating a real lobster and baked potato, while you enjoy your imitation "lobster" meat, and instant potatoes, along with some Tofu,.....you get what you pay for
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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09/01/09 04:52 PM
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Could you tell us why it is worth that kind of money? As long as it fills, sands easy and dont shrink, what possibly could make the Dupont worth 350.00
Just asking!!
{quote} I like the 2K Napa stuff
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Rather than go into a big spiel about painting, and what providing a good base foundation intails,.......you use quality products and the end result is a paint job that looks like a $15K-$20K professional paint job,....you use NAPA brand products, or the other "cheaper" brands you end up with paint job akin to a roller and brush job
Think of it as going to a fine resturant and looking at the guy next to you eating a real lobster and baked potato, while you enjoy your imitation "lobster" meat, and instant potatoes, along with some Tofu,.....you get what you pay for
I really didnt want to continue this, but that makes no sense.
I'm not talking about a real lobster verse immatation lobster. I'm talking about a 2K primer that I have used, and others I know have used and yes, they are 15-20K paint jobs, A few from years ago that look great still today. I'm not one that beleives just because something is more $$$ it must be better. Again, the Dupont may be better, I just dont know why it would be.
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: Chally426]
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09/01/09 05:27 PM
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DAYCLONA
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Could you tell us why it is worth that kind of money? As long as it fills, sands easy and dont shrink, what possibly could make the Dupont worth 350.00
Just asking!!
{quote} I like the 2K Napa stuff
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Rather than go into a big spiel about painting, and what providing a good base foundation intails,.......you use quality products and the end result is a paint job that looks like a $15K-$20K professional paint job,....you use NAPA brand products, or the other "cheaper" brands you end up with paint job akin to a roller and brush job
Think of it as going to a fine resturant and looking at the guy next to you eating a real lobster and baked potato, while you enjoy your imitation "lobster" meat, and instant potatoes, along with some Tofu,.....you get what you pay for
I really didnt want to continue this, but that makes no sense.
I'm not talking about a real lobster verse immatation lobster. I'm talking about a 2K primer that I have used, and others I know have used and yes, they are 15-20K paint jobs, A few from years ago that look great still today. I'm not one that beleives just because something is more $$$ it must be better. Again, the Dupont may be better, I just dont know why it would be.
You say you really didn't want to continue this?, yet you posted a reply "just asking",....so "I'm just telling"  ............The Lobster dinner was a "metaphor".......uggggh!...what part of Ohi you frum,.....the Dupont 2K is a better building base because the binders used in it's formulation to create a product that can do in 2 coats what the crap 2K dose in 4 or more,.....paint a few cars, and use different manufacturers products, then you'll appreciate quality products that last, and reduce your time trying to block a body straight,....quality ingredients mean a quality product, and with that comes a higher price, I didn't write the rules, that just "what it is",.....plus there's no "shell" or "bones" in the Dupont
Mike
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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09/01/09 11:22 PM
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I've used PPG K200, and thought it worked well. I guess it's replaced by K38. The tech sheets say they build to 3 mil dry film thickness. The DuPont 2K Ultra Productive Primer-Filler 4904S fills to 6 mil. Is this what you guys are talking about? It does take a lot to get a product to build that thick and not crack, shrink, pop, lift, or any of the other problems that occur when painting a car. The thicker it builds, the fewer times you need to mask, suit up, mix, and shoot. This is what makes it worth the price. If you're doing a 5 year restoration, then I guess it doesn't matter.
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: 375inStroke]
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09/02/09 01:08 AM
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Looking back at the tech sheet, the K38 says "Recommended mils dry film per coat -- 2.5". It also says apply 2 to 4 wet coats. How am I supposed to interpret this? How thick can one spray it? At work, we have a gauge for measuring wet film thickness. What good does it do measuring it once it's dry?
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Re: Filler primer
[Re: 375inStroke]
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09/02/09 09:31 AM
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I've used PPG K200, and thought it worked well. I guess it's replaced by K38. The tech sheets say they build to 3 mil dry film thickness. The DuPont 2K Ultra Productive Primer-Filler 4904S fills to 6 mil. Is this what you guys are talking about? It does take a lot to get a product to build that thick and not crack, shrink, pop, lift, or any of the other problems that occur when painting a car. The thicker it builds, the fewer times you need to mask, suit up, mix, and shoot. This is what makes it worth the price. If you're doing a 5 year restoration, then I guess it doesn't matter.
This is the information I was talking about. Still dont know if it's worth it for 90% of the paint jobs out there, but I'm sure in some cases it makes sense..
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