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Re: 413 info
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08/28/09 03:12 PM
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moparsquid
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the major diff between the two 413,s is the heads, if you inspect them the industial heads dont look anything like a set of street ones(452,906,915, etc.) Iaso believe that the reverse rotation cam was only on boats with twin engines 1 stbd 1 port the reason is for coter-rotating props. and ive seen both types of carbs on these TQ,s and carters(not sure what years) and a holley also.  
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Re: 413 info
[Re: dOc !]
#450059
09/03/09 06:02 PM
09/03/09 06:02 PM
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WHY don't you post a link and another "argument" on a debate that the Earth is flat !  
All the Satellites in orbit,you'd think we'd know by now. 
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Re: 413 info
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#450064
09/05/09 01:42 AM
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RoyceFlo73
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I found the head casting number 2899943 belongs to 413 wedge engines made between 1971-1977. I think that settles it? web page
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Re: 413 info
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09/05/09 02:04 AM
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RoyceFlo73
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Hey, I really do not know. I'm only 21, and was not even a though in my parents head when these things were being made. By no means am I trying to pick a fight. I'm just curious really, somebody said no one cares, but I kinda want to know the actual history on them. I found that, and I posted it and wanted to hear your response, ya seem to know a lot about them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that in all the actual mopar books that I do have, I can't find any reference to a 413 made after 73. I just found it interesting that like 5 different websites all posted that, but given the state of the internet, that doesn't mean a whole lot.
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Re: 413 info
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#450070
09/05/09 08:40 AM
09/05/09 08:40 AM
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62maxwgn
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OK Royce .... I see that link and all I can say is this .....
There have been links posted here that show a 454 being put into a 1974 Travco.
If you want to believe a 413 was available in 1977 ..... go for it.
The fact is .. is the 413 was dropped in mid-1973 because a 440 cost a TON less to produce. The PRIMARY reason for this cost diff were the 943 heads. ALSO .. the 413 block was special also ... that cost more too.
Why,instead of telling the 413 was droped in 1973,show us the documentation that you know is accurate to back it up.No heresay,no missinformation,just actual facts.In other words,prove it.You stated at the beginning of this post that when I said I had a 73 Indian with a 413 and TQ,I was wrong.The TQ came out in 71 as a air metered carb on the 340,72 TQ's were solid fuel and availiable on most 4bbl motors along with the Holley depending on application.413 intake is same configuration as 440,but you should know that.Don't tell me what was/was not on what I bought new and owned for 6yrs.On another note,did you ever see a mid 80"s 360 Dodge /Plymouth police package with a Quadrajet?Quite common,anything could/can exist.As for engines in various motor homes,remember the motor home mfg's bought/installed drivetrains from whoever they choose . 
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Re: 413 info
#450071
09/05/09 09:04 AM
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ahy
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Hi,I'm looking for info and help on my 73 dodge winnebago,it has a 413 with a 4 barrel holley,and k&n air filter,on a motor with 43,000 original miles, i wanna put a little more HP in her any suggestions,thanks 
I've wondered and thought about what you could do with one of these to make a better HD engine. It depends on how far you want to go. Here are some suggestions:
Step 1: Well matched carb, low restriction exhaust, low restriction intake. It sounds like this is done already.
Step 2: Heads and cam. Clean up and pocket port heads, good valve job, hardened seats if not already there, mill for a little more compression, add some duration and lift to the cam. Muscle Motors seems to understand iron heads, I'd ask them what they can do.
Step 3: Quench and compression. Use a step piston if necessary to get compression up with .040" quench. May require fitting each piston. I believe the cr was quite low with these engines (8:1 or less?). If you are willing to buy premium fuel, I bet 9:1 would work and still keep good detonation margin for sustained hard running in hot weather. A bit more cam would be needed with this approach also. There was a poster who did this with a 440 and had a good running and surprisingly efficient truck engine - I don't remember who.
Step 4: All of the above plus stroke it. Don't go crazy - perhaps a 3.9 stroke. A bit more cam would be needed also.
Done carefully, you would gain mid range power without loosing bottom end torque; torque loss caused by the bigger cam would be balanced by benefits of better compression and breathing.
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Re: 413 info
[Re: RoyceFlo73]
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09/05/09 01:11 PM
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RemCharger
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Hey,
I really do not know. I'm only 21, and was not even a though in my parents head when these things were being made.
By no means am I trying to pick a fight. I'm just curious really, somebody said no one cares, but I kinda want to know the actual history on them.
I found that, and I posted it and wanted to hear your response, ya seem to know a lot about them.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that in all the actual mopar books that I do have, I can't find any reference to a 413 made after 73. I just found it interesting that like 5 different websites all posted that, but given the state of the internet, that doesn't mean a whole lot.
Royce, you are in fact correct. I just got off the phone with my cousin, whos dad bought a brand new D800 graintruck in 77,(Ithought it was a78), and it did come with a 413 industrial, complete with the rad support sticker justifying its existance. I grew up going to the farm so I can say from firsthand, they are real.
Now that being said, maybe Chrysler only built the one since 73...... 
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Re: 413 info
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#450073
09/05/09 04:01 PM
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Florida STAYcation
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GRAINtrucks ? .. This topic is about a motorhome engine. And some what proof, docs, facts ? .. just like some of the links that have been supplied here ? ...rotsa' 'ruck with that ! ALL I know is this .. these year MH's are my hobby ...and I know LOTS of people who have them ...and I know what they have. I know guys who have worked in dealerships WHEN these MH's were being sold ...and a friend of mine father WORKED at Trenton-Engine until the mid-80's when he retired. You guys post all the links you want ... showing a 454 Chebbie motor in a 1974 Travco(when Travco was exclusively Mopar until the late 70's) ..THEN there were Chebbie power-plants because Mopar no-longer made a BB motor. B U T .. you guys BELIEVE what you want. Have a nice day. 
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Re: 413 info
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#450074
09/05/09 11:34 PM
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Well if you crack open a 1977/1978 Dodge truck FSM and check out pages 9-49 9-69 you will see that they were producing both 413 and 361 engines. Pages 9-95 9-96 list the specs. Two flavours for each size.
My father had a 77 D800 with an Industrial 413. The nieghbour down the road had a 76 D600 with a 361.
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