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Re: 727 tranny toast?-UPDATE-NOT TOAST!! :) [Re: 69charger383] #448892
09/24/09 02:59 PM
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Re: 727 tranny toast? [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #448893
09/24/09 05:38 PM
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Quote:

Is it toast ? .. as has been suggested above look at the fluid and if it is not brown .. probably NOT.

With what you have now .. "tie" the lever HALF WAY back and then test-drive it with it under part-throttle only.

SEE how it shifts and how the gear-changes engage. If that is OK .. to make you feel better - just change the ATF and filter and you should be good-to-go.




yeah, what he said and don't forget to check the band adjustment, chances are the trans is OK.

Joey

Re: 727 tranny toast? [Re: jake4cars] #448894
09/24/09 08:47 PM
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Here's a simplification of a shift valve in a transmission and how the governor and line/throttle pressure work to initiate an upshift or downshift.

The throttle linkage moves the throttle valve which in turn varies the line pressure up or down. More throttle equals more pressure. This higher pressure does two things. It delays the upshift as well as the pressure applied to the psiton or servo that applies the clutch or band. The governor pressure varies according to output shaft speed. The faster the output shaft turns, the higher the governor pressure. Actually it is a two stage process in a Torqueflite, but for this discussion the pressure rises as output shaft speed goes up.

Now if you look at the first diagram you can see that the line pressure is greater than governor pressure so the valve stays shifted to the left and shuts off the supply to the clutch or band. As road speed goes up the governor pressure starts to rise and when it reaches a point where it is higher than the line pressure holding the valve, the valve moves to the right and opens the passage to the clutch or band. If the throttle is pressed harder, line pressure goes up so the governor pressure needs to be higher (faster output shaft speed) in order to overcome the line pressure to initiate an upshift.

This is a real simplification of the process as there are different size lands on the shift valves to vary the required pressures, boost valves, accumulators, special sized orfices to slow an apply or release speed, but this simple diagram illustrates the need for the throttle linkage. Without it, the shift speeds and pressures are not correct and will burn up the clutches and bands.

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Re: 727 tranny toast? [Re: PC-CHARGER] #448895
09/24/09 09:17 PM
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Governor pressure can never be higher than line pressure.


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Re: 727 tranny toast? [Re: John_Kunkel] #448896
09/24/09 09:20 PM
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You're right John, but the diagram is just a simple illustration to show the process. In reality the governor side of the shift valve could have a spring or be a larger diameter.

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