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WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? #447728
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don't usually watch much racing but was watching some of the race from the grove. after his car got loose in the water coming up through the track WJ hammered nhra about how they're handling the sport. i'm no WJ fan but you have to respect his accomplishments. sure slammed nhra and personally i tend to agree with what he said...what say you?

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That and also the comment about screwing the fans...
he has some valid points about the NHRA babying the
fuel guys and the hell with the other 99%

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What did he say exactly ?

You HAVE to respect a guy like that...EVEN THOUGH he is very-much OUTspoken.

Most of us here would probably LOVE to know about HP builds ... just what he has forgotten.

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yea i was talking about the fans comment as well, that has to have left a mark. sure he's not in anyone's good graces at nhra after those statements.

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I pretty much agree with what he said, we don't need any more deaths in the Fuel ranks, or any other for that matter. Slow the cars down 90% of the fans won't know the difference. If you could make them run 4.50's to 1000' and tell everyone they're running to the 1/4 again, half the people wouldn't know a difference other than the sub 300mph speeds.

The water seepage is unacceptable, we deal with it up here at pacific, if water is coming up, a car doesn't go down til its fixed. Negligence on NHRA's part in this area could severly cost them if someone got hurt.

I'm glad he said something, and I'm sure many agree with him, including many sportsman racers who are the heart of this sport.


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he was slamming nhra about "scalping the fans" and catering to TF which only comprises a tiny fraction of the racers out there. he said they should have slowed the fuelers a long time ago instead of having the tracks spend all their money on shutdown area as opposed to the racing surface.

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He was crying like a baby just like he has been for years......

Instead of crying he should have adjusted for track conditions like ALL the other tf / fc / ps cars .


I cant stand that guy

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How do you adjust for water coming out of the track?

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How do you adjust for water coming out of the track?





ask the other 99% of the racers that made it down the track going 6.64 - 6.71 -- i have no idea


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I have the utmost respect for WJ; he taught GA everything he knows...

He speaks his mind...that I appluad.

He said NHRA is only concerned with 1% of the race cars (the fuel cars) and he made a point of "scalping the fans". BUT...while the fuel cars are 1% of the participants, 99% of the fans are only there to see the Fuel cars. So while he's "right", NHRA won't care what he had to say. If Force or Schumacher have no complaints, they (NHRA) are happy.

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Complaints ?....and NHRA listening ??

IF everyone could get-together AS-ONE .. the people who NHRA should be listening to are the Sportsman guys.

NHRA could not run a LIVE program without those guys.

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I now think "Pinks All Out" has proven that you can fill the stands WITHOUT TOP FUEL or FUNNY CAR..

Rich Christensen has exposed NHRA on this one..

He uses the grass roots racer to give everyone a great show. Ratings, I'm sure are higher than NHRA and the stands are full..

Like him or hate him, he has exposed a weakness in the NHRA Pro racers..

It may fade away, but for now, people are coming out in droves..

Best time I've ever had racing.


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WJ has been complaining about the fuel cars for years. He used to complain all the time that the P/S cars couldn't get down the track because of the clutch dust from the "silly cars".

Yes, NHRA does cater to the fuel cars. You tend to do that when they are the ones paying the bills. WJ needs to remember that P/S and PSB run before fuel so that there are people in the stands when they run. They used to run P/S last and as soon as the last fuel car lit the stands started emptying out like you flushed a toilet.

P/S and everything else are merely space fillers for fuel.

Water through the track is unacceptable, but your only other recourse is to postpone the event for a day or 2 until the groundwater level goes back down. They fight this all over the place. They crashed cars at National Trails and Norwalk because of it.


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I think the NHRA should take some notes from an ADRL race stands packed hard to get tickets sometimes and the racers are happy

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WJ does make some comments that come off as abrasive sometimes. But, at least his interviews have content. What I hate are the interviews that come off like press releases. Typical smiling 'cup style stuff. "the boys back at the shop have been working real hard on the bla-bla-bla Chevy...".

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Water through the track is unacceptable, but your only other recourse is to postpone the event for a day or 2 until the groundwater level goes back down. They fight this all over the place. They crashed cars at National Trails and Norwalk because of it.




I crashed my TAD at National Trails because of water coming up through the cracks. Same day, same lane that Jason Line crashed his pro stock car. It sucks but what can you do about it after the fact?

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His point was that they have mandated all of these safety improvements for the fuel cars, while ignoring the water seepage issues. Norwalk has made a lot of changes to address the problem on their own dime, what have they done at the NHRA-owned tracks, other than build luxury suites?

It's good to hear someone call them out on this, although WJ will probably be on the blacklist with Larry now.

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I applaud what he said.He was spot on with his comments,and truth be known,he's actually a real nice guy.Can't argue with his work ethic either.


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Good for WJ ..obviously Maple Groves track surface needs some work..just don't ask AJ he wouldn't know he was watching yesterday

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I have not watched a NHRA race in years!
I can care less about T/F, F/C.
Pro stock is about the the only pro class I will watch.
Sportsmen classes are far better to go see! always left after Friday afternoon.

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I now think "Pinks All Out" has proven that you can fill the stands WITHOUT TOP FUEL or FUNNY CAR..

Rich Christensen has exposed NHRA on this one..

He uses the grass roots racer to give everyone a great show. Ratings, I'm sure are higher than NHRA and the stands are full..

Like him or hate him, he has exposed a weakness in the NHRA Pro racers..

It may fade away, but for now, people are coming out in droves..

Best time I've ever had racing.


Chris..




+1 except I haven't got to compete... yet! I had a blast at the 2 PINKS All Out events I attended as a spectator.

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i think it is refreshing to hear people speak their mind on all the bs thats going on.way too much apathy going on,thats why this country is in the fix it is in.did anyone catch the fight that was on HBO the night before? the fighter that clearly won got screwed big time and totally went off on boxing being all bs.all wrongdoing should be thrown in the face of the ones pulling this crap.

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I think its cool that he had the balls to say something against the great and almighty NHRA. Him and Larry Morgan have been some of the only racers i have seen call NHRA out on stuff.


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The Baders at Norwalk spend a ton of money.They are very fan oriented people.Ive seen the old man hammer employees because a fan had an issue.Its totally unacceptable to him to have a fan complain.NHRA dosent care about anything except $$$$$ period.National trails should have been pulled as a national event years ago its a dump.There are a few track that fuel cars should not be run at because they arent long enough.Speed is the thing.How would most feel if they told you hey you are running X in this class.Thats too fast slow down.But if you want to run fuel make sure the track is safe.Im suprised fuel cars havent sued them already.How can you set a record for 20 points in 1000 feet.In their NASCAR points system that could mean being in or out.Rocky


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Love him or hate him, you've got to respect him. You know exactly where you stand with WJ, he'll tell you no BS the way he feels. I wish more folks were like that.

He is spot on. NHRA only cares about the fuel guys, period. All the others are only there to feed Glendora money to support their program.

I really haven't watched NHRA racing in years....it is so far removed from the sport I've been involved with for forty plus years it is not even recognizable anymore.

I dropped my NHRA membership years ago....I only belong to IHRA now.

Nostalgia Super Stock racing is where it's at!!


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I dont care for WJ, but he has a vilid point here. Im sure the water coming up was intermittent, and they should have held off racing for a bit.

Also I am SICK OF JFRA. If John farts its all over ESPN 2. I honestly cant stand JFR, and I know he is a legend in the sport, but stop following him every where with a camera crew. They dont follow Ron Caps like that, and hes got Ed The ACE for god sakes.

John should retire and just work for NHRA, oh wait he already is in the promoting dept..

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John should retire and just work for NHRA, oh wait he already is in the promoting dept..



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Love him or hate him, you've got to respect him. You know exactly where you stand with WJ, he'll tell you no BS the way he feels. I wish more folks were like that.

He is spot on. NHRA only cares about the fuel guys, period. All the others are only there to feed Glendora money to support their program.

I really haven't watched NHRA racing in years....it is so far removed from the sport I've been involved with for forty plus years it is not even recognizable anymore.

I dropped my NHRA membership years ago....I only belong to IHRA now.

Nostalgia Super Stock racing is where it's at!!




Nhra ceased to exist when they hired Dallas Gardner and dropped modified eliminator, oh jeez, I am showing my age again.

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Watch the races sometimes.Antron is their new posted boy.Ever time you watch they have him on 50 times.He was the biggest crier their was in PSM.Him and Angel.They cried about the lights then they cried about the Harleys.Im still waitin for Antron to have one good blow up in that dragster.As far as WJ I dont like him either but he does say what he thinks.Then you have Jeggy that wont say crap.Maybe he is worried that they might not give him his promo spots.Tony Stewart in NASCAR is another driver I like even though I dont follow it.He says what he thinks and dosent care if they like it or not.At least Ashley wasnt crying and whining on TV when she got DQd for being light.Good old Angel was bawling like a baby when she did and they even tried adding her helmet and stuff so she wasnt light.Like John said rules are rules she was light and thats it.Rocky


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Yes she was light, but Im sure ESPN will be talking about it next time they race.

In Topeka this year, I heard some other racers complaining about the amount of air time they get. I had VIP tickets and was in the Capps tent. I wont name any names, but They said they need a pilots liscense due to the air time they get. Also complained how they win a round of racing, never get an interview, but when ashley, or any JFR driver fails to make another round they get the interview, and all the plug spots. It really has gotten pretty bad, and I hope NHRA see's it soon or they will only have JFR fans.

I would like to see Antron get a good POP, or a Blower backfire and POOF... He would probably cry, and his voice might get a little higher. Who knows I have never looked close at him, but he might have white racing gloves with rinestones on them...

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WJ has been complaining about the fuel cars for years. He used to complain all the time that the P/S cars couldn't get down the track because of the clutch dust from the "silly cars".

Yes, NHRA does cater to the fuel cars. You tend to do that when they are the ones paying the bills. WJ needs to remember that P/S and PSB run before fuel so that there are people in the stands when they run. They used to run P/S last and as soon as the last fuel car lit the stands started emptying out like you flushed a toilet.

P/S and everything else are merely space fillers for fuel.

Water through the track is unacceptable, but your only other recourse is to postpone the event for a day or 2 until the groundwater level goes back down. They fight this all over the place. They crashed cars at National Trails and Norwalk because of it.


Paying the bills how in the hell are they paying the bills they get in free.The sportsman racers are the ones who pay the bills.N.H.R.A raises the entry fee on the sportsman so they can increase the pros payout.
The sportsman pays for a oil down, Pros free.It coast a sportsman more to certify his car than it does a pro.


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Biggest problem is you arent getting 40000 people to pay to watch sportsman racing.The nitro cars fill the stands and bring the big $$$$.I agree the little guy pays and gets not much back.But I race because I like it.Rocky


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Modified Eliminator!!! There's a voice from the grave.

I was at Indy the year they held their "protest".....all the Modified cars paraded down the return road while eliminations were going on with "Save Modified Eliminator" signs. It didn't work....despite NHRA's statement that "we have no plans to drop Modified, etc. etc. etc...."

Unfortunately, even PS is boring...although it is by far the best of what they have to offer. It would be much better if they would use recognizable bodies....Challengers, Camaros, and Mustangs.....keep the big inch motors (no small motors), but make them use automatics or something of that like. Real Pro Stock cars used to wheelstand, jump around, be entertaining. These new cars are so smooth they are like watching paint dry. And, they all look alike.

As far as fuel cars go.....ho-hum, you've seen one, you've seen them all.

You are spot on about Dallas Gardner....he was the first in a long parade of yuppies running NHRA.


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The Baders at Norwalk spend a ton of money.They are very fan oriented people.National trails should have been pulled as a national event years ago its a dump.There




I've heard good things about the Baders ..from what i've been told National trails IS a dump,thats why NHRA pulled the plug and races at Norwalk now,one of the reasons we don't attend the mopar nationals they run at the dump...

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WJ speaks his mind , you got to respect him for that. JFR is all NHRA really has, there was a bunch of stuff the last week or so about some testing conflict Graham Light from NHRA is defending JFR, of course he is. The big brass of NHRA are like polititions, so far removed from the average person that they have no idea, all they know is how to line their pockets with $$$.


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Now, back to the problem. Some of these asphalt
tracks are just out of date. Heck an asphalt
track is over 50 year old technology. The all
concrete drag strip has also been around for over
20 years. There is a full concrete drag strip
with a full concrete shut down in Earlville, IA
and it been around for 12 years or more. Now you
have cooling tubes and other ways to drain water
off a track. New basses under the track so you dont
get water seapage up threw the track.
Yes it cost a lot of money to build this stuff, but
that is what it takes to have an event pulling
in thousand's of thousand's of people each
spending hunderds of $$$. Whatever class you
like, so be it, but if the tracks don't make it
work for all classes, then that track might not
get a national event next season.


And WJ lives in his world, not a fans world.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: jamesc] #447764
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I guess WJ isn't concerned about Christmas cards from Glendora this year (but I do agree 100% with everything he said)

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The Baders at Norwalk spend a ton of money.They are very fan oriented people.National trails should have been pulled as a national event years ago its a dump.There




I've heard good things about the Baders ..from what i've been told National trails IS a dump,thats why NHRA pulled the plug and races at Norwalk now,one of the reasons we don't attend the mopar nationals they run at the dump...




Doesn't NHRA own National Trails?, they have all of the money in the world and yet they do nothing to improve their tracks except for coming up with more marketing brainstorms like Indy's top eliminator club, oohh Please!

I don't attend national events anymore since they transformed themselves to the circus format, you don't need to pay big money to hear the carnival barkers there when you can turn on any cable news show and get similar BS for a lot less.

I love Nostaglia Super stock racing and any kind of heads up format, this summers Pinks event at Martin was filled to capacity and beyond. NHRA, should take notes.

I too was at Indy for the infamous Modified protest and it was all to obvious even back then how little respect they had for the racers opinions.

Joey

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I have never been a big WJ fan but i think it was great that he said that.

Prostock is the best and more sportsman racing would great, lets see some comp elim, nitro cars are just a show.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: Alan Warman] #447767
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Paying the bills how in the hell are they paying the bills they get in free.The sportsman racers are the ones who pay the bills.N.H.R.A raises the entry fee on the sportsman so they can increase the pros payout.
The sportsman pays for a oil down, Pros free.It coast a sportsman more to certify his car than it does a pro.




Sportsman doesn't pay for anything but itself. Powerade pays the Pros, as do all the ticket buying fans in the stands.

If Sportsman was the big deal, how come you don't see packed stands at Divisional events? That's what all the fees pay for is to support Divisional events in front of empty stands.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #447768
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What did he say exactly ?

You HAVE to respect a guy like that...EVEN THOUGH he is very-much OUTspoken.

Most of us here would probably LOVE to know about HP builds ... just what he has forgotten.


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What did he say exactly ?

You HAVE to respect a guy like that...EVEN THOUGH he is very-much OUTspoken.

Most of us here would probably LOVE to know about HP builds ... just what he has forgotten.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9Sx2KJQX8


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: jake4cars] #447770
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The Baders at Norwalk spend a ton of money.They are very fan oriented people.National trails should have been pulled as a national event years ago its a dump.There




I've heard good things about the Baders ..from what i've been told National trails IS a dump,thats why NHRA pulled the plug and races at Norwalk now,one of the reasons we don't attend the mopar nationals they run at the dump...




Doesn't NHRA own National Trails?, they have all of the money in the world and yet they do nothing to improve their tracks except for coming up with more marketing brainstorms like Indy's top eliminator club, oohh Please!

I don't attend national events anymore since they transformed themselves to the circus format, you don't need to pay big money to hear the carnival barkers there when you can turn on any cable news show and get similar BS for a lot less.

I love Nostaglia Super stock racing and any kind of heads up format, this summers Pinks event at Martin was filled to capacity and beyond. NHRA, should take notes.

I too was at Indy for the infamous Modified protest and it was all to obvious even back then how little respect they had for the racers opinions.

Joey


Yes, NHRA in fact does own National Trail's, and according to the new General manager of the track, they were slated to get money to actually finish what they started there and make other improvement's to the track and the facility but that was nixed when NHRA decided to put money into the other National event track's saftey problem's.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: BloFish] #447771
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From the looks of NHRA in it's present form they are trying to model themselves after Nascar. The car of tomorrow is a failure I think from the car makers point of view and maybe that is why in Nationwise or whatever it is called they are gonna use Pony cars, that makes sense back to win on sunday sell on monday. NHRA has gotten so far from it's base it has no idea whether it is Housewives of orange county or Survivor. All the focus they put on John Force has to be from Ford's and Castrols dollars.To me as well as most here posting that is a waste cause where can I go buy a pipe rack to go to work or a funny car, and prostock cars all look the same, make them run pony cars. With the way things are going I see NHRA failing in two or three years and either John Force or Alanabi takes over the show. I think NHRA only chance is to get back to its roots focus more on rivalries between drivers, Super Stock, get rid of top fuel and it might have a chance. There are so many unique characters racing besides the usual suspects. I only hope no driver gets hurt with the way NHRA's circus is being run now.

Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: 68Fastback] #447772
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I like WJ for his work ethic, but as far as saying NHRA is hosing the fans, I have to ask. Did Warren give the fans all their money back for all the 'School's Out Tour' memorabilia when he "retired" a few years ago?


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: slantzilla] #447773
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That promotion was brought on by Pontiac. In fact if you ask him he thought they were pulling the plug back then, that is why he did what he did. Like him or not, WJ is a straight shooter. That comparision is like Jr and Budwiser. How many millions did they make from that knowing they were not resigning. It does not matter what day of the week or time of day, I go past the shop, those guys are working. Yes, out spoken, but I would bet Jegs and Anderson were saying the same thing to G Light. I wonder if the track is the reason Alan Johnson did not make the show? I don't know, just speculating.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: srracing8] #447774
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I wonder if the track is the reason Alan Johnson did not make the show? I don't know, just speculating.


It would be great if AJ would get on here and let us know.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: slantzilla] #447775
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I like WJ for his work ethic, but as far as saying NHRA is hosing the fans, I have to ask. Did Warren give the fans all their money back for all the 'School's Out Tour' memorabilia when he "retired" a few years ago?




That certainly was a scam, wasn't it?

Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: Prostock] #447776
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It wasn't a scam by any definition. WJ had started driving better at the tail end of that year, and the sponsor kicked in enough dough to fund two cars. He would be out this year if K&N hadn't stepped up in the 11th hour. I expect a real retirement next year.

How about the Mopar effort? Morgan is going Ford, Jones is going Pontiac, no word on V, that leaves Johnson and Gray. Maybe Panella?

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It wasn't a scam by any definition. WJ had started driving better at the tail end of that year, and the sponsor kicked in enough dough to fund two cars. He would be out this year if K&N hadn't stepped up in the 11th hour. I expect a real retirement next year.

How about the Mopar effort? Morgan is going Ford, Jones is going Pontiac, no word on V, that leaves Johnson and Gray. Maybe Panella?




It was a scam. If not, it should have been a "i'm not racing anymore because my sponsor thinks I am too old" gig instead of it appearing to be his choice of retirement.

V. has his own Hemi engine program that he's been running.

Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: Prostock] #447778
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yes bracket raceing is B.S i saw that at somoma T.f was done bracket cars come out stands empty.in drag boats they call em ramp clutter.T.F is the only thing to watch.

Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: jamesc] #447779
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I see a lot of love for WJ in this thread but I know a local man where I grew up that had to go to GA to demand his engine from WJ after far longer than he should had to wait.

Good ole WJ had no trouble cashing the check and lying over the phone repeatedly.

The local man got an engine that day after much "discussion" in person.


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Pro stock is about the the only pro class I will watch.



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I wonder if the track is the reason Alan Johnson did not make the show?




All the other top guns made it,and a rookie in only his third race as a prostock driver

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How many times have other drivers Retired?Look at Scelzi Bernstein and a few others.Then look at other sports.Farve retired then says I want to play again.Its a money game.Brings in more bucks that all.Funny no body sees a problem when Muldowne or Garlits retires then comes back to run Just a few races.That and its in their blood.They need the spotlight too.As far as AJ not qualifing he shoots himself in the foot more than any other driver out there.If that car was being driven by like Alderman or Geffreion I bet it would have won a lot more.Rocky


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How many times have other drivers Retired?Look at Scelzi Bernstein and a few others.Then look at other sports.Farve retired then says I want to play again.Its a money game.Brings in more bucks that all.Funny no body sees a problem when Muldowne or Garlits retires then comes back to run Just a few races.That and its in their blood.They need the spotlight too.As far as AJ not qualifing he shoots himself in the foot more than any other driver out there.If that car was being driven by like Alderman or Geffreion I bet it would have won a lot more.Rocky




Did they all sell stuff on the notion that they won't be back in the sport again, and this would be your last chance?

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Bernstein sure did.Rember his goinf away tour and then they had his special car for sale too as a collectable.Look at some of the major league pitchers.How many times did Clemens retire?They had his glove ball and other crap put in the HOF.Because it was the last one.I think he retired what 4 times.It draws the fans which makes more $$$$$.Rocky


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Bernstein sure did.Rember his goinf away tour and then they had his special car for sale too as a collectable.Look at some of the major league pitchers.How many times did Clemens retire?They had his glove ball and other crap put in the HOF.Because it was the last one.I think he retired what 4 times.It draws the fans which makes more $$$$$.Rocky




Clemens never really retired until the final year he played,any time before that he was making up his mind or weather to retire or come back..

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On that note: on Drag Race Central theres a letter from the Maple Grove managment apoligizing for the delays and problems this past weekend. Sure hope they straighten them out before I go there for the NED Bracket Finals in a month or so.


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Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: 11secdart] #447787
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Clemens did retire from the Yankees.They took all kinds of stuff for theBBHOF.Then lets see Texas offers him big $$$ and he unretires.Then the next year he was retiring again till the wallets came out again.Almost at bad as some of the old boxers that did it.Maybe they should go to the WWE.Those guys retire every year.Rocky


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As far as AJ not qualifing he shoots himself in the foot more than any other driver out there.




way too many aborted runs for a car of that caliber

lights are a little erratic also.

Re: WJ's comments on NHRA...thoughts? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #447789
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That and also the comment about screwing the fans...
he has some valid points about the NHRA babying the
fuel guys and the hell with the other 99%







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Clemens did retire from the Yankees.They took all kinds of stuff for theBBHOF.Then lets see Texas offers him big $$$ and he unretires.Then the next year he was retiring again till the wallets came out again.Almost at bad as some of the old boxers that did it.Maybe they should go to the WWE.Those guys retire every year.Rocky




Don't recall that retirement press conference..but Clemens did go to Houston along with Pettite because he wanted to be closer to family and home..then came back to the Yankees mid-season the following year or the year after..

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WJ has been complaining about the fuel cars for years. He used to complain all the time that the P/S cars couldn't get down the track because of the clutch dust from the "silly cars".

Yes, NHRA does cater to the fuel cars. You tend to do that when they are the ones paying the bills. WJ needs to remember that P/S and PSB run before fuel so that there are people in the stands when they run. They used to run P/S last and as soon as the last fuel car lit the stands started emptying out like you flushed a toilet.

P/S and everything else are merely space fillers for fuel.

Water through the track is unacceptable, but your only other recourse is to postpone the event for a day or 2 until the groundwater level goes back down. They fight this all over the place. They crashed cars at National Trails and Norwalk because of it.




Norwalk did something about it though. It cost us a points race but the repaved the last 1/8 to get rid of it. That the week before the National event.


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