Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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As close as that is to the 99 Hemi head, Morgan won't have much work to get it to where he is with the Mopar engine. So he picks up with Ford/someone paying some of the bills and puts new sheetmetal on his Stratus. I can't blame the guy since he was always underfunded compared to the Ken Black, Cagnazzi and other teams. It's one more step towards a generic PS car though.  They need to stop saying "stock" in Pro Stock. It should just be "PRO". They might as well get a COT body and make everyone run that and get it over with. Yuck!
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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08/23/09 10:12 PM
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As close as that is to the 99 Hemi head, Morgan won't have much work to get it to where he is with the Mopar engine. So he picks up with Ford/someone paying some of the bills and puts new sheetmetal on his Stratus. I can't blame the guy since he was always underfunded compared to the Ken Black, Cagnazzi and other teams. It's one more step towards a generic PS car though.
They need to stop saying "stock" in Pro Stock. It should just be "PRO". They might as well get a COT body and make everyone run that and get it over with. Yuck!
For the most part, all the Mopar pro stock "hemi" head is is a GM DRCE combustion chamber twisted around.
Don't foget when Dale took the PS Oldsmobile head, drilled a few more bolt holes in it, took a GM (cat) block, got some part numbers assigned to it all and it was now a Mopar wedge.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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I remember the Big CHEESE heads. The 99 Hemi looks more like the NASCAR heads but have the ports angled for dual carbs instead of a single 4bbl. I can't say I can remember what a DRCE 3 head looks like, so I'll have to take your word on that one. I would think they would all evolve to the same configuration no matter where they started. I could see the BOSS 429 Twisted Hemi getting there before the others. It came down to what group had the money to develop the heads.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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08/23/09 10:30 PM
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As close as that is to the 99 Hemi head, Morgan won't have much work to get it to where he is with the Mopar engine. So he picks up with Ford/someone paying some of the bills and puts new sheetmetal on his Stratus. I can't blame the guy since he was always underfunded compared to the Ken Black, Cagnazzi and other teams. It's one more step towards a generic PS car though.
They need to stop saying "stock" in Pro Stock. It should just be "PRO". They might as well get a COT body and make everyone run that and get it over with. Yuck!
For the most part, all the Mopar pro stock "hemi" head is is a GM DRCE combustion chamber twisted around.
Don't foget when Dale took the PS Oldsmobile head, drilled a few more bolt holes in it, took a GM (cat) block, got some part numbers assigned to it all and it was now a Mopar wedge.
theres only so much that can be done with a combustion chamber. so if the 99 hemi is twisted around it's not a GM.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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The 99 is most like the DRCE III which came later. Interesting how cat and donovan blocks, spread port and DRCE heads are always called BBC's, while Fords and Mopars are often described as copies of BBC's.
Ain't that the truth.
But as we all know, if any of these race engines WERE copies of a BBC they wouldn't fall out of a tree......
Just like a stock BBC can't.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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08/24/09 11:03 AM
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Does any one have pics (or can find pics because I cannot) of the combustion chambers and valve configuration for the Mopar, Chevy, and Ford pro stock cylinder heads so we can compare them side by side to really see how close the designs are? In all honesty, if one type of design is best for pro stock and fits within the "rules", all the manufacturers are going to eventually end up with parts that are very similar. It is about being the fastest, not the most original. 
We did that a while back on a pro stock thread..at least with the GM and Mopar pro stock heads..i will see if i can find it.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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The spark plug holes do not seem to match other side of head?  
Not sure what you are refering to, the mopar head is unusual in that the two center plugs are closer together due to how the chambers splay in opposte directions...unlike the GM lay out.
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Re: New Ford Pro stock head??
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11/28/09 06:10 AM
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Or maybe they should change the name to NON Factory Pro Developement. NFPD The Big 3 left after the 1973 oil Embargo. The Aftermarket shops took over after the early 1980's. So from about 1982 and on. The Aftermarket designed and built all the Pro Stock stuff that was available. Factory LOGO's had to be attached to make them legal. Its about image. They make their money selling gas milage cars. Not racing engines for Pro Stock. The LOGO just means they are represented. If you want to see the big 3 compete. Then look at the current offerings. Like Challenger, Camaro and Mustang. Thats where the big 3 are at now. You can buy one of those cars any color you want and drive it home. I have'nt seen any Pro Stocks for sale by the big 3.
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GM head you can see the differnce in how the valves are layed out. this is the DRCE 2 type haed made by profiler. I could not find a DRCE 3 pic anywhere.
