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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: 440Jim] #446682
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Thankx Jim, But thinkin about it you were not the best choice to prove my point, ya got your chit together much better than most

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446683
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heads are 69.9 cc 13.1 comp. converter is a 5500 coan made for motor.

How did you build your convertor with no dyno sheets?


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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: emarine01] #446684
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Thankx Jim, But thinkin about it you were not the best choice to prove my point, ya got your chit together much better than most




what point are you trying to prove ?

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: JohnRR] #446685
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My point was that just because you up the hp with a new combo it might not run as expected till you work out all the bugs, Jim was not the best choice cause he seems very meticulous in what he does

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: AndyF] #446686
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Chassis dyno if you have access, and if you're not using a good dominator, you will need to for the best results. Most of the time, as others have said, it's not an engine builders fault. And, I'm not an engine builder, but have been doing this stupid racing thing for 25 years. Good luck!

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: camastomcat] #446687
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by the lack of any more post, I think EJ440
has taken his motor apart and is sitting in
a $2500 pile of swap meet gems.

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: GoDartGo] #446688
08/25/09 05:53 PM
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by the lack of any more post, I think EJ440
has taken his motor apart and is sitting in
a $2500 pile of swap meet gems.





From EJ440,s post history hes not a big talker. The barrage of questions probably scared him away.

He inquired about engine builders before and "Hensly racing" engines was recommended, so maybe that was the engine builder. Hes also about 6 hours away from him,


With the limited info given there is not info to blame any engine builder IMO.

The engine is definately not up to snuff and running like it should. But that could be for a number of reasons as already stated. It could be as simple as two plug wires crossed or some simple timing or jetting issues,etc,etc.

Without anymore quality input/feedback from EJ440 I guess we'll never know.

Back in 95 when I put my new MP 484cam 440 combo together it wouldnt even spin the tires the first time out. After working out the bugs, 11.75 ET

After a few more years of dialing in the combo and a MP 509 cam, 10.47 ET.

My point is, to check all the basics before condeming the motor and its builder. mike

Also while EJ440,s car is not running as it should, she doesnt run bad and it sure looks Nice

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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: Sport440] #446689
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I just got back from droping the car off at my local moparmam. would had him build it from the begging but the machine shops around here just plain suck . he said that the car is just plain lazy. he is going find out whats going on. Im not a motor guy but a paint & body guy . just never got in to building short blocks. and about the converter ? . without a dyno sheet they ask for cam lift, cam@50, bore & stroke ,compression, est hp. I did all the things the builder said to do. "I'm not here to BASH OR BAD MOUTH anyone". I have been spending a lot of money and not going any where . tired of beating the hell out of my car and not going any where. just want to unlock my 800 hp .

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446690
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You will get there, you sound like a good man and good things will come your way before long.

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446691
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I just got back from droping the car off at my local moparmam. would had him build it from the begging but the machine shops around here just plain suck . he said that the car is just plain lazy. he is going find out whats going on. Im not a motor guy but a paint & body guy . just never got in to building short blocks. and about the converter ? . without a dyno sheet they ask for cam lift, [Email]cam@50[/Email], bore & stroke ,compression, est hp. I did all the things the builder said to do. "I'm not here to BASH OR BAD MOUTH anyone". I have been spending a lot of money and not going any where . tired of beating the hell out of my car and not going any where. just want to unlock my 800 hp .




In my experience very seldom is the converter correct out of the box-any box. That's one place I would look. I also think that your cam timing is incorrect and you should keep advancing it but when you do this you have to keep track of your p/valve clearance. Good luck.

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: BobR] #446692
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I would check piston to valve clearance before I advanced it to far. I watched a 493 get tore apart to find out why it wouldn't fall out of a tree. The first thing that was check was the cam timing. The cam was advanced 8 degrees because of piston to valve clearance instead of tearing it apart and cutting the pistons they retarded the cam for clearance. The rings and bearings were changed and cam advanced to where it should be and that thing would fly. The owner claims it came straight from Hensley's and installed in his car then pulled and tore apart when it was so lazy.

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: stroked470] #446693
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In the beginning of this thread he said They found the cam -4 and reinstalled it straight up and gained 3 tenths, I think thats got a lot to do with things , for one I cant think of a good reason to install the cam @ -4 to start with but if the car is still lazy in 60 ft advancing another 4 makes sense, as said before check pv clearance and let it rip

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: stroked470] #446694
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Good luck with it, things will come around. If you keep researching the posts on here, you will gain valuable insight from those going fast with similar packages. That was the key for me. My car went from 9.50s to 8.70s by what I gleaned from these guys.


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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: B G Racing] #446695
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To the point it may have nothing to do with the engine build.We have seen our engines that we have built not perform to the level that they should only to find the problem in the tuning,drive train combo or chassis.We even found that sometimes it's the driver that makes a world of difference.We built a 605" hemi that didn't perform for a racer only to find that his race-pak setup(computer)was the culprit.He set his timing at 33/35 locked but the computer would advance it 10* for every thousand RPMs.He was upset with me when I explained it was not the engine but his $3500+ ignition set up,since the mechanical parts of the engine ie: timing chain and gear set/lock distributer cannot advance themselves.Imagine running an engine at 8000 rpm with 35* at 2000 rpm adding 10* for every 1000rpm,that's 95*@8000rpm.But I guess that was my fault... <snip>



I remember that. Boy did that truck pop going down the track!

That wasn't even the end of his problems. Dropped a valve with another engine builder, with major damage and still hasn't got a 7 second ET if I recall correctly. Which really isn't impressive considering the truck is a Bickle's pro stock chassis/trim.


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