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Which will run cooler water or anti freeze? My 340 is running around 205-210 in 85F or 30c weather with anti freeze. Was wondering if it will run cooler with water? Any ideas???

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Nothing transfers heat better than straight water. Won't help your situation much though - not to mention your boiling point will be higher than with antifreeze and no lube / anti-corrosion propertys with straight water. You need to look else where to cure your overheat issues - if you consider 210 - too hot.


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Which will run cooler water or anti freeze? My 340 is running around 205-210 in 85F or 30c weather with anti freeze. Was wondering if it will run cooler with water? Any ideas???




When does it heat up, idling, when your moving or when you get on it? In simple terms, if it heats up when idling but cools down when moving, it's usually an air flow/water flow at low speed problem. If heats up while driving it could be the rad is too small or there is an obstruction in the rad/water jackets.

Make sure all of your hood seals/stone shield are in place. Believe it or not when these things go missing it messes up the air flow through the rad. Use a fan shroud and possibly a solid fan (no clutch or flex fan). Use a high volume pump and a thermostat no hotter than 180 degrees. Don't use underdrive fan pulleys. Make sure you don't have a lean condition and that the timing is set correctly. No more than a 50-50 mix of antifreeze.

Re: Water or Anti freeze???? [Re: torkrules] #444354
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Here's a very well thought out test and comparision:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html

Justice Brothers Super Radiator Cool plus water provided the most cooling.

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Here's a very well thought out test and comparision:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html

Justice Brothers Super Radiator Cool plus water provided the most cooling.


Splitin hairs - IMO. Too many variables ( they even stated there was a 5 degree outside temp change during testing. Minute rpm changes will cause bigger temp changes than most of what they reported.


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Here's a very well thought out test and comparision:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html

Justice Brothers Super Radiator Cool plus water provided the most cooling.


Splitin hairs - IMO. Too many variables ( they even stated there was a 5 degree outside temp change during testing. Minute rpm changes will cause bigger temp changes than most of what they reported.






Got a better test??

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Here's a very well thought out test and comparision:

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html

Justice Brothers Super Radiator Cool plus water provided the most cooling.


Splitin hairs - IMO. Too many variables ( they even stated there was a 5 degree outside temp change during testing. Minute rpm changes will cause bigger temp changes than most of what they reported.






Got a better test??


Wish I could say yes, but I don't.


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I run water in the summer for track and put the antifreeze back in the fall for the cold.

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Agree as posted above water - hopefully with coolant conditioner to prevent corrosion - will cool better (a little). I've used it in "emergency" situations to stay on the road a little longer with a partly plugged radiator. Still it just delayed fixing it right.

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The temperature runs between 190-210 tends to creep up on the hiway. I am using a cluth fan. I have a 3 core rad. Seems to me the last time i drove the car 2 years ago it ran at 190 all the time. Is 210 too hot????

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I would say 205-210 is borderline too hot. Not dangerous but not desirable. I always found high temps on the highway to be a sign of a radiator getting plugged. The fan is not much of a factor on the highway.

It may be time to get the radiator rodded out or a new core.

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My rad is only four years old, and is 3 core. How do you flush them???

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Hmm, hot rod 340, little radiator, tight engine compartment, yeah it's gonna run a bit warmer than stock but 210 is not a problem.

Now if it starts puking coolant then yes you got an issue. Also, where are you getting the 210 reading from and how? Cause a stock guage doesn't give that.


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I have an auto meter guage

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take the stat out for 1 day & take her out & see how hot she gets. wont hurt things to have a slow warmup from no stat for (1) day & it will confirm/deny if it's a stat restriction problem. then I'd take the rad out & turn it upside down & spray your garden hose water nozzle in the bottom nipple(now at the top)to backflush it & see if any crud comes out & if not then the garden hose is not touching it & I'd have a rad shop boil/rod it.


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Ok, good guage, where is the sending unit located? Stock position or elsewhere? It makes a difference. If it's a mechanical guage you can't put the sending unit in the stock location, especially if you have AC. But as long as it's in the front water crossover it should be reasonably accurate. I've got a 65 Cuda, close enough to your Dart to be useful.

There are several things that can cause a high reading without it actually being "real". Years ago I had a Diplomat with a 360 that had high water temps without any other symptoms. Turned out it was an exhaust flapper issue, the spring that opened it up broke so it stayed shut. This would cause the exhaust to always go thru the crossover in the intake, heating it up and causing the temp guage to read high.

But to be honest I would not be concerned about 210 temps.


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