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How religious was the factory about body numbers? #440693
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I've been working on my very original slant 6 70 Challenger and it appears to be missing the body number stampings on the core support and trunk rail.....The cowl number is there and matches the VIN. This car is definitely original metal....Did the factory sometimes forget to stamp these numbers?


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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HemiRick] #440694
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They did not do the trunk rail on challengers just rad suport and cowl.
So I am still up in the air on changing the whole cowl
Car has been titled in my name for many years so no funny biz but still hate to lose them


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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HemiRick] #440695
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It's quite rare to find a car without the body numbers, I'd guess that it's there and you either can't find it or the car was in an early accident (or had some other damage) and the core support was replaced. As mentioned above, E-body cars only had the number VIN sequence stampings on the cowl and the core support.

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HemiRick] #440696
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I've been working on my very original slant 6 70 Challenger and it appears to be missing the body number stampings on the core support and trunk rail.....The cowl number is there and matches the VIN. This car is definitely original metal....Did the factory sometimes forget to stamp these numbers?




I encountered the same lack of body stampings on both the radiator core support and cowl on a second `Cuda 440-6 (BS23V0E133XXX) that I owned from about 1980 until 1989. It was clearly original sheetmetal in that case as well...

Mistakes happened, I remember a 1970 GTX with a VIN engine code of "7"... as in RS2370XXXXXXX.

XS

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: xs29j8] #440697
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Hard to imagine that many cars slipped out with NO stampings, but mistakes were quite common. My 70 V code R/T has the last few digits transposed from the body to the VIN.

MB

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HPMike] #440698
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Hard to imagine that many cars slipped out with NO stampings, but mistakes were quite common. My 70 V code R/T has the last few digits transposed from the body to the VIN.

MB




My 70 Cahllenger R/T SE has two numbers transposed too.


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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: RoadRunner] #440699
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I had a '71 Plymouth Barracuda that had no numbers in the core support. All original paint and had never been wrecked in the front (knew the owner since '72).

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Hard to imagine that many cars slipped out with NO stampings, but mistakes were quite common. My 70 V code R/T has the last few digits transposed from the body to the VIN.

MB




My 70 Cahllenger R/T SE has two numbers transposed too.




so does my 70 challenger r/t

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: 05dakota] #440701
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My '70 vert is missing its core support numbers as well. All original sheetmetal with the exception of the drivers quarter that was replaced in 1979...

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: Ashsdad] #440702
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I thought my LA built Challenger was missing them as well, until I ran my fingers on the underside of the core support (where the factory original coolant decal is) and could feel the numbers stamped in that location. The engine compartment on mine is 100% original, so the assembly line worker just stuck the decal over the numbers.

I haven't pulled the decal up yet and don't care to because it is original to the car.

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: Robert1050] #440703
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For the guys with 1970 LA built & 1970 Hamtramck built cars, please register & let me know what your body number errors are?

There are some cars out there with B-Body VINs on E-Bodies from LA, & some numbers appear to have been struck on more than one body.

If enough folks register & provide that info it would help me figure out, well, something.

The radiator support numbers can be on the top or on the back side, & anywhere from about the center to clear over by the battery, so look close.

To register;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/register.shtml

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #440704
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They were there, on the core support, but on the back side rather than the top where I was looking....


Take care,
Rick
68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451
Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HemiRick] #440705
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I know of a couple of original paint /sheetmetal '70-1 E-bodies that never had the radiator support stamped. In fact, another is on 'Cudaworld right now that is missing the rad and cowl #'s! It is an unrestored original paint '71 'Cuda. LA plant cars typically are stamped on top of the support, while Hamtramck car are stamped on the side facing the raditor tank. Here is the link to the no stamping '71 340 'Cuda

http://cudaworld.com/adDetail.php?cat_id=10&sub_id=0&ad_id=2209

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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: HemiRick] #440706
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Stranger things have happened. Reminds me of one of the assembly line reunion stories where a new guy stamped the same #'s on all the cars for about an hour! Of coarse that's just body #'s, VINs would still be different, but man I wouldn't want to have one of those cars.

Tav

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: cataclysm80] #440707
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My unrestored survivor 71 GTX had the rad support number, but no cowl number . It was a real early car , RS23U1G100327 /803 SPD .

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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #440708
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Not a great picture, but this is of a cowl stamping from what all indications appeared to be an untampered with ordinary 71 Challenger 383.
Perhaps some members have, but I have never seen one stamped this far out on an E-body cowl area.
From looking and feeling underneath, cowl area appeared original, smooth top and bottom, and stamped fonts and stamp pictured on front edge, appeared to be factory.

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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: mccannix] #440709
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buddys superbird has no stamped numbers and we are 100% sure its original metal


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Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: warmpancakes] #440710
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I have seen a Challenger that had the cowl number stamped 7 times - all the stamps were in between the cowl screens.

Re: How religious was the factory about body numbers? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #440711
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I have seen a Challenger that had the cowl number stamped 7 times - all the stamps were in between the cowl screens.


my friends '70 challenger has the cowl number stamped five times...

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Got a photo of it I can use here?

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/factoryErrors.shtml

There is a radiator support double stamp shown there, along with several other cool errors.

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