Cummins experts, need some help
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2001 Cummins in a 2500 4wd quad, 67k miles, new transfer pump and filter. Engine cuts out at around 1900 PRM while under load (24'box trailer with my Duster in it.) Check codes and I'm getting a 0216 error which is a fuel injector pump timing error, brief explanation states high fuel supply restriction or low fuel pressure. What is the signifigance of this code and what steps should be taken to resolve. First notice the problem this spring after the truck sat all winter. Thanks.
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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I'm no cummins expert but I do mess around with them some. First I would install a fuel press guage and see what you have, if it's low then your lift pump is going out. Second I would check the transfer pump to make sure it's not a dud. I would also reccomend that you go to a cummins forum like this one www.dieseltruckresource.com . I'm on there and there is a wealth of info on our dodge trucks.
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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2001 Cummins in a 2500 4wd quad, 67k miles, new transfer pump and filter. Engine cuts out at around 1900 PRM while under load (24'box trailer with my Duster in it.) Check codes and I'm getting a 0216 error which is a fuel injector pump timing error, brief explanation states high fuel supply restriction or low fuel pressure. What is the signifigance of this code and what steps should be taken to resolve. First notice the problem this spring after the truck sat all winter. Thanks.
I would need to diag it further, but usually when you see that code and the failure you are describing, the injection pump itself is the culprit..
MB
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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More than likely you had a weak lift pump and ran the truck below 8 PSI starving the Injection pump for fuel, as a result the injection pump is fried since it will start to "pull" fuel from the tank, through the dead lift pump and either burn up the pump due to excessive heat (the fuel cools the I.P.) or it burns up the circuit board. This is the weak point in this truck. As mentioned, get a fuel pressure gauge and check idle and WOT fuel pressure, if you are below 8 PSI at any time replace the lift pump with either a new Airtek pump (Oreilly's, the Original Carter is junk) or upgrade to a Raptor, Air Dog or FASS system. I just installed a new system on my truck (Raptor) took about three hours, incredible difference in power and I am pure stock, no box or anything. I run 15 PSI at idle, the lowest I can pull is 12.5 PSI and WOT. The new system will eliminate all the banjo fittings and upgrade to 3/8" fuel lines (Looks like you ran a water hose for a fuel system) and will keep the pump happy. While your at it, install the big line kit from the fuel filter to the injection pump, easy install and also a huge difference. If you have a fried IP it is anywhere from 900-1500 for the pump and about 8 hrs to install your first time, some shops will install for a decent price. The upgraded Fuel systems include everything needed and will run aroun 400-500, but you will not regret it when finished, the truck will be a like a new beast when finished. Good Luck.
BTW, don't go through Dodge for the I.P. try Midwest Injection, Vulcan Performance or even Blue Chip (Best on the market with upgrades, most expensive at around $1500) Pensacola Diesel etc, most of the others are in the $1000.00 range. The dealer pumps are expensive and often don't have the upgrades, all IP's on the market are rebuilds, they are not making them anymore, even the dealer Injection Pumps.
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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08/16/09 07:25 PM
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Thanks for all the replies; very helpfull! I probably will not be able to check pressure until next weekend; once I do I will let you all know what I find.
"Who is John Galt?"
68 Coronet RT LL1 Auto 70 Duster 340 (yea right) FE5 4 SPD, 11.86 @ 114 MPH so far 01 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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2001 Cummins in a 2500 4wd quad, 67k miles, new transfer pump and filter. Engine cuts out at around 1900 PRM while under load (24'box trailer with my Duster in it.) Check codes and I'm getting a 0216 error which is a fuel injector pump timing error, brief explanation states high fuel supply restriction or low fuel pressure. What is the signifigance of this code and what steps should be taken to resolve. First notice the problem this spring after the truck sat all winter. Thanks.
I would need to diag it further, but usually when you see that code and the failure you are describing, the injection pump itself is the culprit..
MB
I hate to say it, but I agree. The cutting out under heavy load might indicate the injection pump can't keep up pressure during high volume output.
When testing lift pump pressure make sure you test it in top gear WOT.
I hate the fact a simple/cheap part can take out a really expensive pump...
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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08/16/09 07:50 PM
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VP44 is dead. Time fore a new injector pump.
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Re: Cummins experts, need some help
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My gut was telling me it was the VP44 but I was hoping maybe there was another culprit. I did move away from the Carter lift pump but did not go with a performace unit as suggested. I probably should spend the extra money and upgrade for insurance; don't want to have to go through this again.
"Who is John Galt?"
68 Coronet RT LL1 Auto 70 Duster 340 (yea right) FE5 4 SPD, 11.86 @ 114 MPH so far 01 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins
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