Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
head swap #434913
08/11/09 04:13 PM
08/11/09 04:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
B
B5 GTX Offline OP
member
B5 GTX  Offline OP
member
B

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
I'm planning my winter project early and I wanted to do some research.
I wanted to switch my 906 heads to a set of 516's I've got. I planned on putting in new stainless valves, increasing the exhaust to 1.74, new springs and gasket matching the ports. Do I need to do anything else? Bronze guides? or just knurl the originals? what about hardened seats?
I also planned on surfacing the heads just to make them true.
I have trw low compression pistons and I thought I might see a nice gain in power by doing this.
Any reason why I should not do this?

thanks for the input
scott

Re: head swap [Re: B5 GTX] #434914
08/11/09 05:19 PM
08/11/09 05:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
every thing you listed is great ex that the 906 heads flow much better than the 516's & you may end up worse off even w the higher CR from the closed chambers. If you have not purchased those parts/services yet you might consider a set of stealths or another set of 906's(& people have milled them quite a bit) to prep & have em ready to throw on & on the local craigslist there was a set of bare 906's for $50 & no takers so they are out there cheap. I'm considering having my ace metal man weld up the open chambers closed in a set of 906's then milling them flat as the 906 is a fairly good flowing iron head & I have yet to see one that has cracked if it wasn't overheated but those stealths keep looking better all the time.


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: head swap [Re: RapidRobert] #434915
08/11/09 07:09 PM
08/11/09 07:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
B
B5 GTX Offline OP
member
B5 GTX  Offline OP
member
B

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
i think the aluminum head with lower compression would not work very well either. What about a set of 915's built up the same way?
I have several sets of 906's but i thought I would be better off getting the compression higher by switching to a closed chamber head.

thanks
scott

Re: head swap [Re: B5 GTX] #434916
08/11/09 07:24 PM
08/11/09 07:24 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,031
South Jersey
kruger Offline
Yours Too!
kruger  Offline
Yours Too!

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,031
South Jersey
If you want to stick with the iron head,go with the 915.There hard to find a decent set,I know I'm still looking .A member here sent me an offer for some real nice 915 heads fully loaded,but a bit steep for my purpose.If you want his e-mail pm me and I'll give you his info,they may still be for sale.

Re: head swap [Re: kruger] #434917
08/12/09 07:15 AM
08/12/09 07:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,123
Grand Haven, MI
patrick Offline
I Live Here
patrick  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 16,123
Grand Haven, MI
with the work you mentioned, you would probably be money ahead in the long run to get some eddies.

the whole can't run aluminum with low compression is kind of a myth.

it also might be cheaper to keep your heads, pull the motor, and if it mics out good for cyl taper, do a hone job and get some higher compression pistons.


1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD
1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!***
2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
Re: head swap [Re: patrick] #434918
08/12/09 08:47 AM
08/12/09 08:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,043
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR Offline
I Win
JohnRR  Offline
I Win

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,043
U.S.S.A.
Quote:

with the work you mentioned, you would probably be money ahead in the long run to get some eddies.

the whole can't run aluminum with low compression is kind of a myth.

it also might be cheaper to keep your heads, pull the motor, and if it mics out good for cyl taper, do a hone job and get some higher compression pistons.






also have guide inserts installed , knurling is old backyard hack quick fix , and hard seats would be a good idea if you plan to drive it alot . If this isn't an all out performance upgrade you'll hardly notice the difference .

Re: head swap [Re: patrick] #434919
08/12/09 09:09 AM
08/12/09 09:09 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,879
Ontario, Canada
S
Stanton Offline
Don't question me!
Stanton  Offline
Don't question me!
S

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,879
Ontario, Canada
Quote:

the whole "can't run aluminum with low compression is kind of a myth".




Absolutely!

Whether the head is iron or aluminum makes no never mind with a low compression. If the motor had 8:1 with iron heads and you slap on 8:1 aluminum it'll still run as well - with tuning maybe a little better.

However, where aluminum shines is when you get into higher compression. Compression means power and the heat dissipating ability of the aluminum heads usually allows you to run about a point more compression on the same grade fuel i.e. where you'd only be able to run 9.5:1 with iron heads on pump gas without detonation, you could run 10.5:1 compression with aluminum heads with no detonation.

Re: head swap [Re: Stanton] #434920
08/12/09 09:15 AM
08/12/09 09:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,389
Kenmore, New York
InViolent Offline
master
InViolent  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,389
Kenmore, New York
In a nutshell....a total waste of time, money and effort to make this swap from 906's to 516's!

My 2 cents.

Re: head swap [Re: InViolent] #434921
08/12/09 11:06 AM
08/12/09 11:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,074
Niles , Ohio
T
therocks Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks  Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,074
Niles , Ohio
I had my 516 done with 2.14 1.81s.They were totally reworked and new guides and some porting.I had like 900 in them.They worked well on the 440.That was before aluminum was cheap.Now I have the Stealths.You can just feel the difference.They are on the kids 62 300 now and it runs well with them also.I agree get Stealths or Eddys.Just have them checked before you install them.I have 12.5 slugs in my street 440.Rocky


Chrysler Firepower
Re: head swap [Re: therocks] #434922
08/12/09 04:07 PM
08/12/09 04:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
B
B5 GTX Offline OP
member
B5 GTX  Offline OP
member
B

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 165
ohio
ok the newer aluminum heads sound like a viable option, so which ones are better the stealth or the eddys? Eddys are a little higher, but do they have better parts in them? what would i need to have checked out before installing?
out of the box what kind of horse power gains 20% reasonable?
will they work with stock manifolds or would headers be the way to go?

As always great information
thanks
scott

Re: head swap [Re: B5 GTX] #434923
08/12/09 04:22 PM
08/12/09 04:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,746
Ontario, Canada
Dodgem Offline
master
Dodgem  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,746
Ontario, Canada
Eddy's are definatly a better head and have the best flow of the two out of the box. Real good bang for the buck!

Re: head swap [Re: Dodgem] #434924
08/12/09 04:44 PM
08/12/09 04:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,074
Niles , Ohio
T
therocks Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks  Offline
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
T

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,074
Niles , Ohio
It depends for what 400 difference you are 1/2 way to ported and flowed Stealths.Plus they have straight plugs.Mine I changed the springs retainers and locks which I would have done to the Eddys also.My .588 cam and 4 speed I wouldnt trust stock from either.My shop backcut the valves and cleaned them up a bit.Other than that its a toss up.Maniflods I dont know if they fit with the Eddy angle plugs some headers have problems with them.HP gain depends on the motor.Id say 50 horse isnt out of the question for either over stock heads.As far as which flows better OOTB its a toss up.Both probally use inflated numbers and the difference isnt that much.Rocky

Last edited by therocks; 08/12/09 04:45 PM.

Chrysler Firepower






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1