Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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Im not sure how all this works so I'm asking here......finally. My PCV valve was buzzing/rattling so I gutted it removing the inner workings and put it back on....is that a no no? and...could I just delete it all-together since I already have a breather on both valve covers? Is having two breathers AND the PCV overkill/bad in anyway? Thanks in advance..
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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Shawn you ideally want a PCV on one side and a filtered breather on the other side so that air is drawn in one side to replace the blowby that is drawn down/over/up & out the other side.Blowby gasses are corrosive and impede the downward travel of the pistons. I would just replace your buzzing PCV and if your vacuum at idle requires a different PCV then yes find the correct one for your particular (I'm assuming non stock) app. A breather in each valve cover will keep the crankcase from being pressurized but will create no movement. Better yet is running a line(w the right valve) to a header collector so these gasses dont alter the precise air/fuel mixture in the carb but the blowby is still evacuated but this will greatly increase exhaust emissions
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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The PCV is a controlled vacuum lek.When you gut it its like having a vacuum line open.This has been discussed lots.We run just breathers on our motors.Mine is pretty much a race motor on the street and the kids 413 is almost 50 years old and running the OE rings.Neither has a problem without PCV.But running with a gutted PCV will make it lean.Rocky
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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Jim, no hijack at all, we're here to help each other out. imnho you would want to cap the breather on the PCV side so the only entry point is on the opposite (from the pcv) bank which is your 3 nipple breather. fumes from the gas tank/fresh air from the aircleaner all will be drawn in/down/over/up & out the PCV on the oppposite bank.
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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If I read his post he gutted the PCV which will make vacuum low as it is just sucking air and making the car lean.Rocky
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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Lots of good replies and Jim, no worries....sometimes it's easier to get an answer that way since we're on the subject. Thanks for the all help, It explains alot. I gutted the PCV valve when the engine was still in the tuning process, so I figured I had a vac leak somewhere the whole time. I've checked all over and found nothing. Cant wait to get back home so I can start messin' with it. Cheers fellas ....
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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Your breather configuration will not effect idle vacuum mearsurement. A bad PCV could but not likely. If you are running a PCV you should only have one breather and it should be located in the opposite cover as the PCV. The third nipple(3/8") of the 3 nipple breather is for the original enclosed carb bowl vent, as I recall you are running a aftermarket carb without this vent line, the breather nipple should be plugged if not used for its intended purpose. The other line running back towards the rear(5/16") is the fuel tank vent line not a return line. For 71’ this line ran back to the tank vapor separator located in the left rear wheel well.
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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I don't see why you can't run 2 breathers. It can inhale through one and out the other. Or run 2 with a PCV.
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Re: Running with no PCV just 2 breathers...BAD??
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[quote Placing a breather on the same side as the PVC defeats its purpose, you may as well not run a PCV at all.
Don't tell Ford that. My '77 F150 351M had a breather with a grommet in the center and a PCV in the grommet.
What about my slants? Only one valve cover to chose from.
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