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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: SRT6776] #43001
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I can understand wanting to restore the car, but would you guys weld, bondo and paint the Bonnie & Clyde car?
If it's restored, it's just another 57 Plymouth, not that there is anything wrong with a beautifully restored 57. It's just that it will lose the time capsule uniqueness.




The Bonnie & Clyde car won't deteriorate in air because of bullet holes- my worry is that this thing will completely disintegrate now if nothing is done.



If its all dried out and cleaned up, just how will it deteriorate? Everyone seems to think this but cant give me a straight answer




Metal deteriorates in oxygen, whether it's wet or not. Then there's humidity. They aren't going to be able to just dry out the inside of the frame, and other such areas either. Whatever is sitting in there will continue to rot.

There's a German submarine at the Chicago museum of Science & Industry that's rotting away on the inside just from humidity.


The stabilization idea is interesting though...

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: hergfest] #43002
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across the river from Portland...
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Gary, this one? It's getting harder to see from the road due to the weeds and such growing around it.


Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: 472 R/T SE] #43003
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Gary, this one? It's getting harder to see from the road due to the weeds and such growing around it.






I wonder if that actually happened naturally or if people were jumping on it?

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Stationwagonguy] #43004
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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: StrokerPost] #43005
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my 2cents:
Save this 57 as it came from the tomb, clone the original and store them side by side for the world to see.



This was exactly my thought. For 50 years people have waited to see how she faired, well, now we know. I think to restore it, as someone else said, would take away the uniqueness of it. Just as artifacts from shipwrecks, or ancient tombs are preserved in the "as found" state, I think the 57 should be also. People in the future would get more from the story of the car and the time if its left as is in a climate contrlled glass enclosure with a perfect copy right next to it, for all to see what it looked like when it went in the vault. But, thats just my .





Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: camdog440] #43006
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Worthless I never said that! It is worth plenty in parts, for other cars that are in better shape that need it's parts.
For those that say Restore it! Where will the parts come from to do so?Are they just going to fall out the sky as a gift from god?No they are going to come from NOS Stock and parts cars{where those parts cars come from?




Let's not rebuild New Orleans... because the parts are worth more than the city as a whole. Sentimental value is worth something... mystique... something. There's just something about it. There's something about New ORleans too... and I hope New Orleans comes back to the way it was before. I guess I see the car as more than just metal parts that somebody else can use.



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Let's not rebuild All of New Orleans Trust me thats a true fact. I have lived right outside of it my whole life and lots and lots of it was not worth saving before the Katrina storm hit it was way to far gone period!And the storm has made it imposible to fix unless you bull dose and start over fresh.
Same goes for some cars


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: 340SIX] #43007
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Gentleman lets try to keep this thread on target and not take on the problems of the whole world.

If you want to talk about the car or the unburial fine. if ya'll continue to squabble and whine we might just as well lock this up now and avoid the chaos that will ensue.

it's up to you?

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Wile1coyote] #43008
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YOu all seem to forget that none of us here own that car...The person that finally does own it may want to keep it or say "crush it"..I don't want it...it is up to the "owner of the car"

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Larry_Dart_360] #43009
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Wow, the true colors really show. Any of you narrow-sighted "car guys" (HA!) that cannot appreciate the historical value of this vehicle are surely NOT true MoPar people. Go buy (another) brand X!

Us Foward Look-era MoParists sure are a different breed. Some of you just don't get it. That's fine though, to each his own. This is an important vehicle,

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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Plymouth-man] #43010
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here is my 1957 friction car..

I'm going to leave it as found condition


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Plymouth-man] #43011
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I haven't read all of these posts since I just got home and don't know what path this thread has taken.
Although being disappointed in how the Buried Belvedere turned out, it was a great show today with a lot of beautiful Mopars out there. Here's my pics from the show.

Tulsarama

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Plymouth-man] #43012
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I think they should restore it the same way that people restore other valuable cars that are total basket cases. That means thousands of man hours, body swap, whatever it takes. I don't see this car as any less important than cars that are supposedly worth millions of dollars.

And after it is meticulously restored, it should be buried again (with a new time capsule), except this time it should be done right. Then it can be unearthed for the 150th anniversary to start the process all over again. That way, each generation can contribute to the history of the car, and there will always be people alive with a personal stake in the car. Otherwise, everyone who had anything to do with it will eventually die and it will become just another museum piece. If you did this every 50 years, people old enough will remember the last time it was unearthed, and some of the people who helped will still be around no matter how old the car becomes.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: IronYuppie] #43013
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I throughly enjoyed being a part of this whole event , regardless of the cars condition. Once in awhile you just have to get out from behind the keyboard and live life.


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: IronYuppie] #43014
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Thanks for the pics

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- #43015
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This thread has had more whining, sniveling, groveling, bickering and input from all the "armchair experts" than any thread I can remember. This is definitely another instance where I am ashamed to be a Mopar enthusiast.



There he goes, whining again.







Well, well, well, look who finally got let back in and changed his identity so no one would know that it's the old troublemaker Silver, Silver70RR or SilverSS or whatever it was. Nice to see ya there Joey!




Didnt realize you were so intelligent, considering everyone else already knew who I was... but my name has always changed with the cars I have owned. I made no comment, just agreed with someone

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Silver70] #43016
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Okay, this thread is getting really boring - everyone needs to get off their soapbox.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: NAS Backyard] #43017
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Seems like a pretty cool event. Too bad the ole girl got wet. Would have been cool to see how it went down had the car been dry.

I hear they actually had to move the Prowler they buried in 98. I hope that one will go a little better.

Time capsules were pretty popular back then, I just don't understand having to put it IN the ground.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Giggy] #43018
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Boyd should give it to his ex wife as is they would make a pretty pair.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: Plymouth-man] #43019
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I think they should restore it the same way that people restore other valuable cars that are total basket cases. That means thousands of man hours, body swap, whatever it takes. I don't see this car as any less important than cars that are supposedly worth millions of dollars.

And after it is meticulously restored, it should be buried again (with a new time capsule), except this time it should be done right. Then it can be unearthed for the 150th anniversary to start the process all over again. That way, each generation can contribute to the history of the car, and there will always be people alive with a personal stake in the car. Otherwise, everyone who had anything to do with it will eventually die and it will become just another museum piece. If you did this every 50 years, people old enough will remember the last time it was unearthed, and some of the people who helped will still be around no matter how old the car becomes.


Now that's a great idea.

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