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Rim Screws or Not? #427557 08/03/09 06:13 PM 08/03/09 06:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,123 Seaford Delaware JSR1485 OP super stock
JSR1485 OP super stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,123 Seaford Delaware	I had my new tires mounted and found out when we went to balance them that they where bent. Since I have to buy new rims now not sure if I need to screw the slicks to the rims. The tire size is 30x11.50 Goodyears and the engine makes about 600hp. I have never ran screws before, but they where on old rims and not sure if I need to drill my new rims or not? How many of you guys run screws? Switched to the dark side...

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: JSR1485] #427558 08/03/09 06:17 PM 08/03/09 06:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I think this comes up about once a month.... do a search.... makes a difference on the tire pressure

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #427559 08/03/09 06:36 PM 08/03/09 06:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,675 On the parachute mount N n20mstr master
n20mstr master N Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,675 On the parachute mount	DragRadials here , NO screws, been 1.24 60 foots Yes they have moved a lot, one is almost one full rotation now, never vibrated etc, Prob moved 1 inch or less each pass If you research it you will find 99.9% of Stock and Super Stock cars DO NOT run wheel screws or tubes ....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: n20mstr] #427560 08/03/09 07:01 PM 08/03/09 07:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: DragRadials here , NO screws, been 1.24 60 foots Yes they have moved a lot, one is almost one full rotation now, never vibrated etc, Prob moved 1 inch or less each pass If you research it you will find 99.9% of Stock and Super Stock cars DO NOT run wheel screws or tubes do you think a tire moving 1" on a pass will effect RT? and do you think it will move the exact amount every pass?

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #427561 08/03/09 07:01 PM 08/03/09 07:01 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC R rockerbob mopar
rockerbob mopar R Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC	Quote: I think this comes up about once a month.... do a search.... makes a difference on the tire pressure Hello Mr P Body. Could you elaborate please. I just added wheel screws to my car. I spun a tube & it punctured. Did not reinstall tube. Suprisingly PSI is constant. Is that what you mean? 5395172-racecar002.jpg (24 downloads) 2005 Dakota 4X4 3.7 2004 Rumble Bee 5.7 1978 Diplomat 318 1969 Satellite 318 "bracket racer" 1966 Barracuda (in progress ) 1964 Dodge 330 (future race project) 1962 Belvedere (HUM????)

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rockerbob] #427562 08/03/09 07:08 PM 08/03/09 07:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: I think this comes up about once a month.... do a search.... makes a difference on the tire pressure Hello Mr P Body. Could you elaborate please. I just added wheel screws to my car. I spun a tube & it punctured. Did not reinstall tube. Suprisingly PSI is constant. Is that what you mean? On a low pressure tire like my set up 7 psi I can spin the tire on the rim real easy... unlike a car that uses a higher pressure... higher pressure you have more force holding the tire to the rim.... I screw the rims and use tubes

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #427563 08/03/09 07:13 PM 08/03/09 07:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC R rockerbob mopar
rockerbob mopar R Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC	Thanks, I understand what you meant now. 2005 Dakota 4X4 3.7 2004 Rumble Bee 5.7 1978 Diplomat 318 1969 Satellite 318 "bracket racer" 1966 Barracuda (in progress ) 1964 Dodge 330 (future race project) 1962 Belvedere (HUM????)

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rockerbob] #427564 08/03/09 07:17 PM 08/03/09 07:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Quote: Quote: I think this comes up about once a month.... do a search.... makes a difference on the tire pressure Hello Mr P Body. Could you elaborate please. I just added wheel screws to my car. I spun a tube & it punctured. Did not reinstall tube. Suprisingly PSI is constant. Is that what you mean? Did you lose the tube after installing the screws? if you did you didn't install the tubes correctly or you didn't use racing tubes. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rockerbob] #427565 08/03/09 07:24 PM 08/03/09 07:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 487 Charleston, SC S SCDaytona mopar
SCDaytona mopar S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 487 Charleston, SC	For the safety of using screws and about $14.00,why would you risk it.

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: SCDaytona] #427566 08/03/09 07:26 PM 08/03/09 07:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY 69CHARGERMD master
69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	Yes

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #427567 08/03/09 08:23 PM 08/03/09 08:23 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 296 CT T turbocolt2.4L enthusiast
turbocolt2.4L enthusiast T Joined: May 2006 Posts: 296 CT	yes on the screws if the tire spins on rim enough you could blow a bead then you will be SCREWED.just my 2 cents

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rowin4] #427568 08/03/09 09:49 PM 08/03/09 09:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC R rockerbob mopar
rockerbob mopar R Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC	Quote: Quote: Quote: I think this comes up about once a month.... do a search.... makes a difference on the tire pressure Hello Mr P Body. Could you elaborate please. I just added wheel screws to my car. I spun a tube & it punctured. Did not reinstall tube. Suprisingly PSI is constant. Is that what you mean? Did you lose the tube after installing the screws? if you did you didn't install the tubes correctly or you didn't use racing tubes. Nope, tubes had been in for two seasons. A month or so ago in the first round the car didn't feel right going down the track. When I got back to the pit I saw the tire was down. I removed the tube and installed a metal valve stem. Reinflated the tire. My fellow racers/friends looked at the tube & saw a small hole. No whole in tire however so it was determined that the tube had pinched. Just one of those things I guess. I since have installed the screws. Still have a racing tube in the other side. 1 side has a tube the other now doesn't. Air psi has been rock steady to my suprise. 18 psi when I unload after sitting in trailer all week. 18 1/2 when the sun hits it. 17 1/2 after dark. Both sides. I have tried several psi's & this range seems to work. 5395675-Bobbracketfinals2008.jpg (25 downloads) 2005 Dakota 4X4 3.7 2004 Rumble Bee 5.7 1978 Diplomat 318 1969 Satellite 318 "bracket racer" 1966 Barracuda (in progress ) 1964 Dodge 330 (future race project) 1962 Belvedere (HUM????)

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rockerbob] #427569 08/03/09 09:58 PM 08/03/09 09:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Nope, tubes had been in for two seasons. A month or so ago in the first round the car didn't feel right going down the track. When I got back to the pit I saw the tire was down. I removed the tube and installed a metal valve stem. Reinflated the tire. My fellow racers/friends looked at the tube & saw a small hole. No whole in tire however so it was determined that the tube had pinched. Just one of those things I guess. I since have installed the screws. Still have a racing tube in the other side. 1 side has a tube the other now doesn't. Air psi has been rock steady to my suprise. 18 psi when I unload after sitting in trailer all week. 18 1/2 when the sun hits it. 17 1/2 after dark. Both sides. I have tried several psi's & this range seems to work. When using tubes..... use lots of talc/baby powder

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #427570 08/03/09 10:23 PM 08/03/09 10:23 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC R rockerbob mopar
rockerbob mopar R Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 583 Raleigh, NC	Quote: Nope, tubes had been in for two seasons. A month or so ago in the first round the car didn't feel right going down the track. When I got back to the pit I saw the tire was down. I removed the tube and installed a metal valve stem. Reinflated the tire. My fellow racers/friends looked at the tube & saw a small hole. No whole in tire however so it was determined that the tube had pinched. Just one of those things I guess. I since have installed the screws. Still have a racing tube in the other side. 1 side has a tube the other now doesn't. Air psi has been rock steady to my suprise. 18 psi when I unload after sitting in trailer all week. 18 1/2 when the sun hits it. 17 1/2 after dark. Both sides. I have tried several psi's & this range seems to work. When using tubes..... use lots of talc/baby powder Yep, so I have been told. I'm fairly new to this board. Wish I had been on here years ago. Thanks Mr. P you know your stuff 2005 Dakota 4X4 3.7 2004 Rumble Bee 5.7 1978 Diplomat 318 1969 Satellite 318 "bracket racer" 1966 Barracuda (in progress ) 1964 Dodge 330 (future race project) 1962 Belvedere (HUM????)

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: rockerbob] #427571 08/03/09 11:11 PM 08/03/09 11:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm mopar
Barnstorm mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Srew it and tube it for bias plys. Radials I ll defer. 5395926-mopar_resize.jpg (41 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: Barnstorm] #427572 08/04/09 12:07 AM 08/04/09 12:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,762 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,762 A collage of whims	Like Barnstorm says. Over 600HP and at 7.5PSI with a spool, I don't want ANY tire slippage on the rim. Personally, I'd screw the tires to the rims on anything that hooks well, and the last time I checked, hooking is a major part of the run.

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: topside] #427573 08/04/09 07:54 AM 08/04/09 07:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,362 Marion, South Carolina [><] an8sec70cuda I Live Here
an8sec70cuda I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,362 Marion, South Carolina [><]	Bias ply tires I always had screws and tubes in them. I ran rubes b/c I still drove it on the street and didn't like having to air up the tires every other day. I run radials now w/ screws. CHIP CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: JSR1485] #427574 08/04/09 09:05 AM 08/04/09 09:05 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee master
sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	We never screw the tires on the Stockers. 9" @ 10.5psi stick car that hammers the tires initially. Even on Hemis cars, no screws but with a radial @ 16psi. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: sixpackbee] #427575 08/04/09 09:12 AM 08/04/09 09:12 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,883 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,883 S.E. South Dakota !	No screws, tires have never moved 5396389-movesmaller.JPG (27 downloads) The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: sixpackbee] #427576 08/04/09 09:16 AM 08/04/09 09:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,073 Tulsa, Ok WadeMetzinger top fuel
WadeMetzinger top fuel Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,073 Tulsa, Ok	'68 Cuda runs 11s 26x10 MT on 15x8 wheels 17psi no screws '71 Cuda runs mid 9s 14x32 GY on 15x12 wheels 7.5psi 4 screws on the inside, none on the outside. Rear Engine Dragster runs high 7s 16x33 on 15x15 wheels no screws 5.5psi Wade Metzinger 918-809-0987 71 Cuda 9.28@145 -1s, Pglide 68 Cuda 10.64@124 1.45 60's 318->390 eddys Moparts discount code on WIX - moparts www.Filter1.com

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: Barnstorm] #427577 08/04/09 11:20 AM 08/04/09 11:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,930 Odessa, Tx. cudarex master
cudarex master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,930 Odessa, Tx.	Quote: Srew it and tube it for bias plys. Radials I ll defer. Why does the tire type make a difference?

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: cudarex] #427578 08/04/09 11:30 AM 08/04/09 11:30 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,618 long island NY A Ari440 master
Ari440 master A Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,618 long island NY	Quote: Quote: Srew it and tube it for bias plys. Radials I ll defer. Why does the tire type make a difference? radials are a stiff side wall need more air preasure to work and clamp the side of the bead better my car screws and tubes in them mt,s 29.5 10.5 15 tubes help the side walls last longer 1.39 9.85 - 137 mph

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: Ari440] #427579 08/04/09 12:12 PM 08/04/09 12:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	I have three sets of tires and rims, 315x60x15 ET street radials, 13.50x30x15 ET Street(bias plys) and a set of 10.5x31x15W MT drag slicks, none of them have tubes or rim screws, the ET streets have moved about one inch in three years of running at the strip at 9.5 o 10.5 lbs pressure(1.50 60 ft. times, the radials are faster ) and 15 to 20 lbs on the street. the radials (18 PSI)have not moved at all, put a small dab of shoe polish or crayon on the tire and rim and watch for movement Not every car, tires and rims are the same so what works for me may not work the same for you Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: Cab_Burge] #427580 08/04/09 12:47 PM 08/04/09 12:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm mopar
Barnstorm mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Like Cab, been running since 1964 and use tubes mainly to prevent leakage. Currently 14x32 Phoenix bias, but Goodyear, M&H, Hoosier, MT, even back to Casslers they all leaked even with the soap trick. Your results may vary. 5396795-mopar_resize.jpg (28 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: Barnstorm] #427581 08/04/09 01:31 PM 08/04/09 01:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca G G_bob master
G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	On my previous tires, Hoosier 31-16.5 QTP's I ran tubes and screws. 16 screws per rim, 8 on inside bead, 8 on outside. Here's an interesting deal. 15 of the 16 screws on the inside of the rims actually broke off. When I removed the screws, only the head and one thread was attached to the rim, the rest of the screw was broken off and stuck in the bead. None of the outside screws broke. Current tire is a Phoenix Radial Slick, 32-13.6. No tubes or screws. Put a dab of polish on each to check slip. Maybe a half inch per side in 5 runs in vegas. 3 runs at Barona yeilded no more. 7 runs at Fontana, with 3 that really hooked good. One side moved maybe another half inch. The other one moved 4 inchs or so. I'm thinking I'll go ahead and screw them down.

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: G_bob] #427582 08/04/09 02:19 PM 08/04/09 02:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,477 On the run… BloFish I Live Here
BloFish I Live Here Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,477 On the run…	Better safe than sorry What's the worse that can happen IF you run with screws It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose… as long as you look good doing it! ‘65 A100 ‘69 ‘Cuda ‘73 Vega GT ‘06 Mega Cab ‘14 Mercedes SLK

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: BloFish] #427583 08/04/09 02:59 PM 08/04/09 02:59 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA Ron Silva top fuel
Ron Silva top fuel Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA	I have had tires turn/slip 3/4 of the way around in 4 runs if they had been freshly mounted and I had the pressure real low. Never caused a problem, but it can be kindof scary Only real problem is the tires go way out of balance. But I still don't like the screws and will not use them. I just mark them now when they are new and then SWAP them side to side to return the tire back to where it started mainly to rebalance the tire. Once they have been on the car for a while they stop moving. It's only because they soap them up when installing them, that causes them to slip. After a while they stick. After everything dries real good. 5397051-BACK.jpg (26 downloads) SRT DEMON ONE SEAT

Re: Rim Screws or Not? [Re: G_bob] #427584 08/04/09 10:08 PM 08/04/09 10:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	One of the old tire vendors at the National events siad to never tighten the rims screws all the way in, tighten them up and back them out 1/2 turn before running them on the car. That was with using #12 rim screws I have twisted them off when using a ratchet and socket and not paying attention I have also used the rim screws (6 or 8) on the inside only the choice is yours, I think the inflation pressure on the initial mounting and how long you leave them inflated at the higher pressures (25+ lbs overnight) make a difference on how they stick to the rim, maybe not Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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