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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42561
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I am very curious as to how the rust/mud got on TOP of the car. The water in there must have been turbulent to lift the rust from below to above so it could settle on the car. If it was calm/motionless water, you would think the sediment and rust would all be at the bottom of the vault. If water was rushing in from above, that could explain how mud settled on top I guess.

Any theories?




I was wondering that myself, it would tend to imply to me many years of repeated drownings of the car. My thoughts are that the only hope for the car would be if it didnt start flooding the vault until more recently in its history, or at least that the bad flooding didn't occur too often. We'll see, its going to be interesting no matter what occurs.


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: SRT6776] #42562
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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: SRT6776] #42563
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So how man hrs is Tulsa behind the East coast? I thought it was 2 hrs... I am waiting. I wanna see it unveiled soooo bad!!!

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42564
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I am very curious as to how the rust/mud got on TOP of the car. The water in there must have been turbulent to lift the rust from below to above so it could settle on the car. If it was calm/motionless water, you would think the sediment and rust would all be at the bottom of the vault. If water was rushing in from above, that could explain how mud settled on top I guess.

Any theories?




I believe that the water intrusion was both gentle seepage (porosity of the concrete / small cracks near the bottom) that did not stir up the water a bunch AND somewhat larger flows, including cracks above the vault's current waterline and failure between the lid and the sides which had water in some volume cascading into the standing water and stirring it up. Yes, there's rust, but the red is red mud which is red dirt which is Oklahoma dirt which is found in Tulsa (go figure).

Both the presence of the mud and it's location are indicators that the water intrusion was more than slight, slow seepage.


Down to just a blue car now.
Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: 68HemiB] #42565
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Both the presence of the mud and it's location are indicators that the water intrusion was more than slight, slow seepage.




Or maybe it got knocked in when they pulled the lid off.


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: JonsGottaDusta] #42566
06/15/07 07:16 PM
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They should have waited until '61 and put in a new Amphicar instead of a Plymouth...


Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: B_Body_Bob] #42567
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Or maybe it got knocked in when they pulled the lid off.




I think that would have left lumps here and there, not the fairly uniform coating.


Down to just a blue car now.
Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: FastbackJon] #42568
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I can't believe this car buried for 50 years is going to be subject to Boyd the first time it see's daylight.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: MOPAULY] #42569
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I can't believe this car buried for 50 years is going to be subject to Boyd the first time it see's daylight.






Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: DPelletier] #42570
06/15/07 07:22 PM
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Dave






So, have we come up with an working alternatives for a live feed?

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: SattyNoCar] #42571
06/15/07 07:23 PM
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I've not found one. Supposedly www.oklatravelnet.com has it, but I can't find it on their site. Nor can I find it at www.kotv.com

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42572
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I've not found one. Supposedly www.oklatravelnet.com has it, but I can't find it on their site. Nor can I find it at www.kotv.com


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Me either

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42573
06/15/07 07:29 PM
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Crews Perform Mini-Lift Of Buried Belvedere
KOTV - 6/14/2007 4:09 PM - Updated 6/14/2007 10:12 PM
Tulsarama organizers hold a practice unearthing for Tulsa’s buried car. Crane crews had a dry run of lifting the wet car on Thursday. News On 6 anchor Terry Hood reports crews made sure the rigging on the car was secure before Friday’s unearthing. Plus, lifting the car out of the vault gave it a chance to drain.

Don't tell the team from Taylor Crane and Rigging they're a day early. They set up the heavy equipment downtown just like it was the Belvedere's big day.

Water was always a worry for them, metal support skids were buried with the car, but weren't wrapped or sealed like the Belvedere. Those beams may be the source of most of rust in the waterlogged vault, and that's a relief to everyone but Jim Taylor. His guys brought in new beams to take some of the pressure off.

"We actually have a dual-lifting system, or two separate systems, in case one fails our new system will hold it," said Jim Taylor Jr. of Taylor Crane and Rigging.

With failsafes in place, the crane crew was ready for a practice lift. Many gathered around the vault to see the Belvedere rise again, and everyone held their breath that the rigging would hold. Most expected to see the car raised a few inches, but crews lifted it ten feet giving the water-logged floorboards a chance to drain. Crews say getting the car out of the rusty, muddy vault gave everyone new hope.

"It looked better today than it did yesterday for some reason,” said Taylor. “I was down in there myself and it was muddy, but it looks better today."

Organizers say they'll be in the clear if Friday’s lift goes as well as Thursday’s practice one did.

While the car was up in the air it gave people a chance to inspect the damage 50 years underwater could do. Hot rod builder Boyd Coddington from cable's “American Hot Rod” came to Tulsa to take a look. He will get a chance to clean up the car between the Friday unearthing at noon, and our live special Friday night at 7.

How well did the Belvedere and the memorabilia buried with it survive underground for half a century? Find out on Friday, June 15th, at 7 p.m. on the News On 6. You can also see live streaming video of the unveiling on kotv.com.

Watch the video: Crews Perform Practice Lift Of Tulsa's Belvedere

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42574
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I like the video feed and the guy keeps saying

you are not seeing rust on the car, but a protective coating.

http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=6748

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- #42575
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Crews Perform Mini-Lift Of Buried Belvedere
KOTV - 6/14/2007 4:09 PM - Updated 6/14/2007 10:12 PM
Tulsarama organizers hold a practice unearthing for Tulsa’s buried car. Crane crews had a dry run of lifting the wet car on Thursday. News On 6 anchor Terry Hood reports crews made sure the rigging on the car was secure before Friday’s unearthing. Plus, lifting the car out of the vault gave it a chance to drain.

Don't tell the team from Taylor Crane and Rigging they're a day early. They set up the heavy equipment downtown just like it was the Belvedere's big day.

Water was always a worry for them, metal support skids were buried with the car, but weren't wrapped or sealed like the Belvedere. Those beams may be the source of most of rust in the waterlogged vault, and that's a relief to everyone but Jim Taylor. His guys brought in new beams to take some of the pressure off.

"We actually have a dual-lifting system, or two separate systems, in case one fails our new system will hold it," said Jim Taylor Jr. of Taylor Crane and Rigging.

With failsafes in place, the crane crew was ready for a practice lift. Many gathered around the vault to see the Belvedere rise again, and everyone held their breath that the rigging would hold. Most expected to see the car raised a few inches, but crews lifted it ten feet giving the water-logged floorboards a chance to drain. Crews say getting the car out of the rusty, muddy vault gave everyone new hope.

"It looked better today than it did yesterday for some reason,” said Taylor. “I was down in there myself and it was muddy, but it looks better today."

Organizers say they'll be in the clear if Friday’s lift goes as well as Thursday’s practice one did.

While the car was up in the air it gave people a chance to inspect the damage 50 years underwater could do. Hot rod builder Boyd Coddington from cable's “American Hot Rod” came to Tulsa to take a look. He will get a chance to clean up the car between the Friday unearthing at noon, and our live special Friday night at 7.

How well did the Belvedere and the memorabilia buried with it survive underground for half a century? Find out on Friday, June 15th, at 7 p.m. on the News On 6. You can also see live streaming video of the unveiling on kotv.com.

Watch the video: Crews Perform Practice Lift Of Tulsa's Belvedere



another 27 minutes to go apparently....


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Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: maxie] #42576
06/15/07 07:32 PM
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LOL, we'll be seeing that description on ebay soon: "This Mopar is not rusty - what you are seeing is a protective coating."

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42577
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Who want to bet that tv station's crappy server crashes?

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: monoptn] #42578
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I can't believe that it was not uncovered,after 50 years,what a joke , and going to Boyd... Doesn't anyone have better pics?

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: 1967 GTX \'vert] #42579
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Who want to bet that tv station's crappy server crashes?




Now why, being from IOWA, would you assume one of Tulsa's big 3 television stations to have a crappy server? Or that it would fail? Bandwidth has been used at a voracious rate today, with the simulcast at noon, but it has done fairly well, I think, all things considered.

Re: Official Tulsa Buried 57 Plymouth Raising Thread 6- [Re: 1967 GTX \'vert] #42580
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Who want to bet that tv station's crappy server crashes?




Who wants to bet its already crashed?

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