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What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd #424956
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'N' code not 2bbl 'L' code, also what's the CFM and is it vacuum or a double pumper?

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424957
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All were vacuum secondaries but you'll need to offer allot more info on the cars other options to nail down which one, there were several.

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #424958
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Thanks for the reply, so they're all vac even the 4spd? The broadcast sheet says "48" for carb.

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424959
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yes, all vacuum secondaries, don't know of any double pumper single 4bbl MOPAR used carbs

48 is part# 3512 848

Holley model 4160 list number R4667A

383 4bbl 4-spd w/o N96 on B & E-bodies

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424960
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You rock 6bblgt! So what is the CFM for this carb and what would you recommend as a stock replacement (aftermarket)? Thanks

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424961
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That R4667 was either never built or all the manufactured ones, once built were all destroyed. They do not exist. The carb that you want is an R6191 which is a Holley 4bbl for a manual trans car, three speed or four speed. BTW there is no such carb for a 70 or 71 E Body with a manual trans and 2bbl. They were never offered or made for an E Body.

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: m46rat] #424962
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I think I've got a lot to learn about carbs. Which options affect which carb you get? (engine/trans/fresh air what else?)

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: m46rat] #424963
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Ok, so if I want to replace the missing original with an aftermarket Holley which one to use and what CFM? Thanks

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424964
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600 cfm vacuum secondary, BTW i removed this off a 71 superbee N96 about 20 years ago, i'm sure it was original to the car

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ademon] #424965
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Forgot 383 4-speed No A/C 3.55 gear carb# 4749 engine was completely stock

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: lakerism] #424966
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1971 FSM lists a Holley, R-6193A for a 383, manual transmission, with Fresh AIr.

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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ademon] #424967
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Quote:

600 cfm vacuum secondary, BTW i removed this off a 71 superbee N96 about 20 years ago, i'm sure it was original to the car




& the list number is ???

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424968
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Here's a 4668 ('71 383 4bbl auto w/o N96)




Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424969
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twodoorpost, what idle stop solenoid # is on that one?Nice looking carb, is it restored or NOS?

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424970
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Quote:

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600 cfm vacuum secondary, BTW i removed this off a 71 superbee N96 about 20 years ago, i'm sure it was original to the car




& the list number is ???



# 4749

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 6bblgt] #424971
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ademon: If that carb were original to the four speed N96 equipped car, it would have solenoid and wiring included with it, that is standard equipment on all manual trans 383+4 carbs(as shown in the pictures of the 6193 carb). I would bet that the four digit date code stamped by the list number on the airhorn is not from the 1971 production year. Also, the airhorn is a different style than those used on 70 and 71 E and B body cars. 4749 cars were used on C Body cars.

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: m46rat] #424972
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....... 4749 cars were used on C Body cars.




not exactly .... it was a multiple year replacement carb (not factory installed)

R-4749AAS
- 4160
- 1967-70 Chrysler, 383 & 440 Eng.
- (W/REM. A.C.) & (MOD. C.)
- Emission A/M

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: twodoorpost] #424973
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Pretty sure those 70-71’ 383HP 4160s with the 1 3/4” secondary throttle bores were rated at 650CFM and the 4404bbl 4160s (1 9/16” primary & secondary bores) came in rated just shy of 600cfm.

The 71’ FSM shows list numbers for with and without N96? Could someone post a pic of that 4160 specification page? Have heard the same thing about the 70’ carbs over the years, but nothing mentioned in the 70” FSM to that effect. If these N96 list numbered carbs exist, any one now what the physical differences are as compared to their non-N96 counterpart? Anybody have a picture of a N96 list numbered 4160 from 70’ or 71’?


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Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #424974
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Scott,
It is a pic of an NOS carb that I sold a few years ago. I didn't record the idle stop numbers.

Re: What is the correct/original carb for a 71 383 4spd [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #424975
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It could have been a replacement from factory, i don't remember a solenoid on it but that was a long time ago. This topic comes up a lot and i've had a few 71 chargers and bee's long ago and have never seen anything but the one i have posted a pic of, what was wrong with the original carb that the car left the factory with to make them just swap out to a #4749

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