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64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Last night was the 1st time down the track for me so I was kinda lost but still had fun.  My 64 Dodge Polara has been updated and now has 590-600hp at 5400 rpm and 650 ft torque at 2900 rpm. It weighs 3840 lbs without me, I’m a 238 lbs so total is a light 4078 lbs  I’m running 3.91 gears with Hoosier 28x10 DOT drag radials. I couldn’t launch very hard because I kept spinning the tires.  I dropped the tire psi 18 lbs but I was still spinning. It pulled very hard half track. Next time I’ll play with the front shock settings. Can I drop tire psi below 18?  Besides my driving skills, what other tuning can I do to make it run better? Please keep in mind I street drive the car weekly. After learning how the track works, I ran 12.5 to 12.6 at 108 mph all night. Here is one of my slip numbers R/T .319 60’ 1.79 ¼ 12.591 Mph 108.7
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Awesome looking ride.  Done anything to the rear suspension?
Just super Stock Springs and stock shocks.
Could a pinion snubber help?
I was shifting at 5500
As I said before, I'm new to this 
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Didnt shift higher then 5500. A&A 727 trans w/ 9.5" 3500 Dynamic converter Shouldnt the car be around 115 MPH. only about 15-20 cars were at track and it got damp out last night. Maybe I just had too much tire slip?
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Was the Engine Dynod or are the power numbers just an estimate?. You can run drag radials as low as about 15#'s experiment with them between there and about 20 for best traction.
-Dustin
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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07/29/09 02:56 PM
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Neat car. I have buddy with a basic stock MW 64 car and 3.91. He runs 12.00 with 1.55 60's. He doesn't want to cut the car, thus no roll bar. you would probably et similar if you could 60 a little better. Good luck!
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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07/29/09 03:23 PM
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Didnt shift higher then 5500.
A&A 727 trans w/ 9.5" 3500 Dynamic converter
Shouldnt the car be around 115 MPH. only about 15-20 cars were at track and it got damp out last night. Maybe I just had too much tire slip?
shifting your car any higher really wont help you.
i think if you go down the track some3 more you will find that everything will pick up.
its called seat time.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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i ran a car very similar to yours as i found that a 4000-4200 stall 9.5 worked great. i got 1.52 60 foots with SS springs.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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07/29/09 03:30 PM
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Very cool car! Don't see many early B bodies at DaGrove, thats for sure. I agree w/Superstock, you will surely pick up some et and speed with more seat time. However, I'm curious to know about the engine combo. Also, was the engine dynoed with the exhaust manifolds? Again, I love the car!!!
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Dyno'd with manifolds and switched to 2" TTI's becasue of heat issues.
I agree, I need seat time, practice with burn outs and launches 
if you switched to TTI's after the dyno session, i would definitely shift the car around 5800-6000 and i bet you see a slight pickup of about 5 hundredths.to probably a .1
i did with almost the same combo.
also change out that converter to at least a 4000-4500 stall.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Dyno'd with manifolds and switched to 2" TTI's becasue of heat issues.
I agree, I need seat time, practice with burn outs and launches
if you switched to TTI's after the dyno session, i would definitely shift the car around 5800-6000 and i bet you see a slight pickup of about 5 hundredths.to probably a .1
i did with almost the same combo.
also change out that converter to at least a 4000-4500 stall.
Change stall even with with max torque at 2900 (650 ft lbs) 
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Dyno'd with manifolds and switched to 2" TTI's becasue of heat issues.
I agree, I need seat time, practice with burn outs and launches
if you switched to TTI's after the dyno session, i would definitely shift the car around 5800-6000 and i bet you see a slight pickup of about 5 hundredths.to probably a .1
i did with almost the same combo.
also change out that converter to at least a 4000-4500 stall.
Change stall even with with max torque at 2900 (650 ft lbs)
your max torque was with exhaust manifolds that choke the performance of your motor,
did you have mufflers on the car when you dynoed the motor, if so were the dumps uncorked. i have been racing max wedge cars for a very long time and i know how to get almost every possible amount of HP out of them.
when you went to TTI's i bet your peak torque is probably at 3400 rpms now from my experience.
also peak torque really drops off with a OE crossram.
also what is your jetting on your crossram, there is a specific jet staggering that is required to get the maximum hp out of the the motor.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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07/29/09 04:24 PM
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Yes it was on a dyno. My last dyno #s were 550 hp at 5300 and 650 torque at 2900. I've made updates since that is why I said 590-600 hp
Your dyno #s and your weight / MPH don't add up.  Whether its the result of subsequent parts changes, current state of tune, converter issues (excessive slippage), etc., you're way down on MPH from what 550 HP "should" show in MPH, even at almost 4100#.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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07/29/09 05:29 PM
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Didnt shift higher then 5500.
A&A 727 trans w/ 9.5" 3500 Dynamic converter
Shouldnt the car be around 115 MPH. only about 15-20 cars were at track and it got damp out last night. Maybe I just had too much tire slip?
I believe you should be running around 115 with that much HP. Dont know what cam you have but shiting at 5500 seems kinda low. I had to baby my Challenger off the line and ran 115 at 12.3 and I had less hp. trap speed is a sign of HP..but your trap speed does match your ET pretty good, imho.
BTW, I love your car!
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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I am curious of where you have your total timing set ? Ron
Dyno loved 36 deg so I nevered changed it
Here is an odd thing, trap rpm was well over 5700. that doesnt add up with my gear and tire diameter That rpm should have been over 117mph. Tire slip + newbee driver
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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I am curious of where you have your total timing set ? Ron
Dyno loved 36 deg so I nevered changed it
Here is an odd thing, trap rpm was well over 5700. that doesnt add up with my gear and tire diameter That rpm should have been over 117mph. Tire slip + newbee driver
Not tire slip..converter slip.
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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nice car .heres my buddys 65 electric windows 500 inch 9.68s WON MMW last year in pro don
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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I agree,it should go faster. Tire slipis not the only problem. MPH is low. Were you running with the air claeners in place? That could be a big chunk of it. Beware of 40 degrees timing . It may be quicker but I've seen a few torched decks. For what its worth back in the day my Roadrunner would run 13.60@107 on 255 60 15 T/As. The very first pass with slicks was 12.32@114. Your combo will improve. My buddys 65 belvedere with a low rise dual 4,906 heads,557 Mopar cam runs 11.50 @115 all the time. I'll bet yours will be quicker. Doug
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Standard port, 906 heads with Rick Allison intake
Do you know how the heads flowed? I know its hard to get them much over 250-265 CFM with out making them crack. My point is, you may not be making as much HP as you think simply because the heads wont support it. Your cam should work good with those heads, but being only in the .540 lift area would also limit HP. But that said, I too think you should run mid 11s easy...like was mentioned with all that TQ you may need a tighter convertor. 
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Hi
do you plan on bringing it to the nats? , stop by us in the pits and we'll help you tune or what ever you need.
Russ
Yes we are going..... 
I appreciate the gesture, I may take you up on that.
I have a lot of learning to do 
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Standard port, 906 heads with Rick Allison intake
Do you know how the heads flowed? I know its hard to get them much over 250-265 CFM with out making them crack. My point is, you may not be making as much HP as you think simply because the heads wont support it. Your cam should work good with those heads, but being only in the .540 lift area would also limit HP. But that said, I too think you should run mid 11s easy...like was mentioned with all that TQ you may need a tighter convertor.
No I dont know how the heads flowed but I do have a lot of dyno data.
Dynamic just told me how to check the flash so I'll check that out over the next few days. A&A had them set for 3400 so I'll see how close it is 
Ya think my burn out is a little much for Hoosier DOT drag radials  I kinda thought I was John Force for a few seconds 
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Dynamic just told me how to check the flash so I'll check that out over the next few days. A&A had them set for 3400 so I'll see how close it is Just checked the flash on my 9 1/2 " Dynamic..... I put it in 3rd, rolled about 5 mph and gunned it. The tach went to 3000rpm. I did it a few times, the rpms dropped a little every time Then rechecked it by puttingg it in 3rd, stopped the car, held the brake then quick punched it, about 3000 again. So with that said, what should I leave the line at? When I try and leave at 2200-2300 RPM, the tires spin before the light even goes green and then I look like a DA
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Re: 64 Dodge went to the track last night
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Dyno'd with manifolds and switched to 2" TTI's becasue of heat issues.
I agree, I need seat time, practice with burn outs and launches
if you switched to TTI's after the dyno session, i would definitely shift the car around 5800-6000 and i bet you see a slight pickup of about 5 hundredths.to probably a .1
i did with almost the same combo.
also change out that converter to at least a 4000-4500 stall.
I mis read your cam lift..i see its over .560 so maybe you dont have enough stall..i would say 4000 or 4500 would be closer like SS says. Not being able to hold the car sounds familiar, my challenger did the same thing until I went to a Coan. You might consider trying a different convertor, I had a 3000 stall J.W. that felt just like stock. Went to the 3500 Coan and could hold the car at 3000 rpm with my stock drum brakes.
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I need seat time, try different shift points, etc......... AND yes I know only change 1 thing at a time otherwise 
