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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: 70Duster360] #39743
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Jesse, how much would a pair of those heads cost setup that way?




Your best bet would be to check with Hughes Engines ( www.hughesengines.com ) or FBO ( www.4secondsflat.com ), each offer the EQ head in different flavors. I'm low volume and the cost of shipping heads alone takes me out of the game. I'd rather do complete engines.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39744
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Actually a lot could have been done to make bigger numbers if that was the objective - I had a modified M-1 intake to try but no time, and yes the headers were small. The reason for that though was the customer was going to run full exhaust and 2 3/4 collectors was closer to what the in car senario would be.

Good info on the differences between the RHS and the EQ. The RHS is wider at the pushrod crossection of the intake port pair. That means the intake port window at the pushrod pinch can be larger on the RHS. I was trying to get RHS to cast a version of this head with machined pushrod holes which would open up the option of machining them wider for use with offset intake rockers. But it's like Ross Perot said of GM, "It is easier to get an elephant to tap dance than get a big company to make a change."




are RHS mag heads still being produced? I never see them anywhere....


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: patrick] #39745
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Patrick, I got mine on clearance from comp cams so I would guess they quit makeing them. There e-bay company is speed liquidators.

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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: HotRodDave] #39746
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I contacted RHS several months ago about these heads and was sent a reply that at that time they were not producing them at that time but they were looking into "possibly" producing them in the future.

Unfortunately I deleted the reply or I would have cut/pasted it here.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: SeanD] #39747
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Jesse did this motor ever end up in the car? If so how did it run?

Also you said "Good info on the differences between the RHS and the EQ. The RHS is wider at the pushrod crossection of the intake port pair. That means the intake port window at the pushrod pinch can be larger on the RHS. I was trying to get RHS to cast a version of this head with machined pushrod holes which would open up the option of machining them wider for use with offset intake rockers. But it's like Ross Perot said of GM, "It is easier to get an elephant to tap dance than get a big company to make a change." "

Could I just have an even bigger hole machined into these and then sleeve them to get a little more pinch cross section?


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: HotRodDave] #39748
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Jesse did this motor ever end up in the car? If so how did it run?


Could I just have an even bigger hole machined into these and then sleeve them to get a little more pinch cross section?




Groan, I wish! I was communicating with Peter Hill of Southern Performance NZ which was the factory for the RHS/Comp heads. His e-mail doesn't work anymore but I think he still works for Southern Performance/RHS. What I suggested was to cast a wide intake port pair and machine in the pushrod holes, that would open up the option of machining them in anywhere thus allowing a much wider pushrod pinch cross section if you used offset rockers. Peter was very receptive to the idea of one casting and machined options but the unknown interest in a iron head like that was the question.

What I thougt would sell was a head that would work with;

either LA or magnum valve covers
either LA or Magnum rocker gear
either LA or Magnum intake manifolds
eithr pushrod or shaft oiling

and have the RHS 360HPST chamber and ports.

RHS is updating their cast iron heads and might get to the Magnum yet, I'm not too hopefull anymore though.

Might be better to try to get EngineQuest to do it.

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I don't think the engine is running in the car yet.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39749
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I see they do have more room to go up and down on these heads than the factory or EQ heads, would it help to just make the roof and port floor taller like a LS chevy port? I can see getting .250 more inches port hight (.125 up and .125 down) over the other heads and you could get more cross section through the PR pinch. I wish I could afford to send these to a real porter to get some real world info on them.

As for re-introduceing these with a few up grades for about the same price that would be a great idea. These are nicer than the EQ head already. It would only take a small tweak to be able to use different valve covers and most or the differance in shafts and pedestal rockers can be done by machine work like mopar does with the aluminum magnum and comandoes. Even the LA and mag intake setup just needs a little different machining. They may be able to do this already (I am scared to try it) make the spring seat where it can be machined down .200 so we can use LS chevy springs with out buying fancy valves and screwing up the geometry. I actually think valve selection is the biggest deterent to people useing these, by the time you buy custom valves you start gettin closer to the cost of a eddy and if you put a thicker stem valve in you lose flow and gain valve weight.


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: HotRodDave] #39750
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You don't need custom valves, I'm using standard 11/32 "chevy" valves in these heads with + retainers and/or locks and can get 1.75 - 1.8 installed height springs in them. Thus I'd say leave the spring seats alone and get Jim Miller to do a Magnum rocker arm to take care of geometry problems.

The geometry was fairly good on the 520/408 though.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39751
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10.8 CR

Actually made slightly more power on 91 pump than 100LL

Total timing = 35




Who's pistons? Are they standard off the shelf? I need a set around that CR for standard LA with 4.0" stroke in a 340 I a building.

That's awesome, and looks very similar to a build I am working on.

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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Dragula] #39752
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CP pistons, I think they are a shelf 408 piston, the dish didn't quite match the RHS chamber.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39753
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I have never heard of the rhs iron heads??? I spent alot of time porting my EQ heads and I like them and the price was right. The pushrod pinch is less than on the regular magnum heads but still looks like a restiction for higher HP engines. I removed a small amount of material from the pinch and it would be nice to be able to get a magnum style head with an offset rocker and eliminate that pinch.......

You made some great power and torque numbers and I hope my 390 surprises me as I have a similar setup with a little less cam/compression. TBF

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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: tpabayflyer] #39754
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those are GREAT numbers!!!!...im kind of curious what KEVIN@HUGHES wanted??

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #39755
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They were wondering about testing one of their modified intakes on that engine when it was on the dyno. That would have been very interesting but the dyno testing was already done.

Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39756
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You don't need custom valves, I'm using standard 11/32 "chevy" valves in these heads with + retainers and/or locks and can get 1.75 - 1.8 installed height springs in them. Thus I'd say leave the spring seats alone and get Jim Miller to do a Magnum rocker arm to take care of geometry problems.

The geometry was fairly good on the 520/408 though.




All magnum based heads except eddys have an 8mm stem so you still can not just drop those valves in there and they are thicker makeing more weight and slightly restrictin flow.


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: HotRodDave] #39757
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I may have dreamed this but I don't think so. I was thinking my buddy did a set of ported magnums with 2.00 LS1 valves.


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: dannysbee] #39758
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LS1's are also 8mm stem.


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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (520 CHP - 540 CTQ) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39759
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Re: Street 360/408 dyno results (RHS 360-HPST heads) [Re: Jesse_Lackman] #39760
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It was dropping off at 6200, the customer didn't want to run it higher. It may have been lifter pump up, the preload was about 3/4 turn. I thought about putting heavy duty c-clips in the lifters and running less preload but we didn't have the time.

The drop off might have been the engine going out of tune as far as intake/cam/headers it might have been an RPM they didn't like. I think that is more likely as it sounded good, no misfiring. We have run the stock Magnum lifters at higher RPM on the IMCA V-6.

The dual plane Performer RPM seems to be more prone "going in and out of tune" when compared to a single plane. I had an M-1 ready to test but again didn't have the time.

What has been you experience with an upper RPM limit with the stock hydraulic roller lifters?


Hey jess , sounds like you got to test the heads , We gained about 300 rpm on one of daves hyd rollers by taking almost all the preload out and running just to the clips ,went from 6500 to 6800 ,I think we had 5 degrees more @ .050 also, We were running crane hyd roller lifters with v links / Craig

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