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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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The active ingredient in most nail polish removers is Acetone. This is what gives it that characteristic harsh / pungent smell.
Lacquer Thinner is a blend of various organic solvents -- usually Toluene and Xylene, but can also contain MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) or Acetone.
Lacquer Thinner will have a more "aromatic" (think petroleum distillates) odor than straight Acetone.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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hi everyone; I just want to ask some questions I could find my answer in the board but articles and replies many many pages long so I`m sorry if I ask questions already replied. 1. I live in a flat and we got only car park. I haven`t got separate garage. So I thought If I buy rustoleum paint and Fast air dry hardener, Can I mix them and spray them. If I can, I can go to picnic in a sunny day and spray it in a open area. 2. If I mix them, How much paint,hardener and thinner i have to put in a mixture? 3. I want to paint candy pearly blue white. So I thougth I can paint car with rustoleum white and I can spray clear code with blue candy pearls. Is this possible? What do you think about idea? Thanks for all. 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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My thoughts:
Using a roller in that situation would not be a problem, but every time I have tried to spray outdoors, the amount of paint drifting away has been just unbelievable. I'm lucky if half the paint goes where I want it. So you're gonna end up using a lot of paint and also painting any other car within 10 feet of you.
Also, if you use the roller method, and then sand the paint smooth and buff it out with an electric buffer, there's no need for a clearcoat. As far as I know you can't use a roller for clearcoat.
Finally, the roller method also won't work for metallic paints, because they require a clearcoat (see above).
So what I would suggest is, using a roller and avoiding clearcoats and metallic paints if you want the job to turn out right. Unfortunately, this thread is not about spray-on paint jobs, so not much of the info here will pertain to using that method. Not that there's anything wrong with using that method, but this thread does not really discuss it. Also, I don't think Rustoleum is formulated to be sprayed on (except for the kind that comes in a rattle can) so that's another reason not to run it through a sprayer.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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regular old dawn will remove wax, grease, pretty much everything. But they do also make a special cleaner for wiping the car before you paint. Kinda pushes you over the $50 part, but if you are going to do it, why not do it right? i think it is called wax/grease remover or something like that. Pretty much any parts store will have it.
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So if I use Dawn dish washing detergent to wash my truck, I'm stripping off the wax? I hope not, because I just use and ounce or so of regular dish washing detergent in a couple gallons of water to wash my truck. If it's stripping off the wax, I'll use something else.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Using a roller in that situation would not be a problem, but every time I have tried to spray outdoors, the amount of paint drifting away has been just unbelievable. I'm lucky if half the paint goes where I want it. So you're gonna end up using a lot of paint and also painting any other car within 10 feet of you.
Also, if you use the roller method, and then sand the paint smooth and buff it out with an electric buffer, there's no need for a clearcoat. As far as I know you can't use a roller for clearcoat.
Finally, the roller method also won't work for metallic paints, because they require a clearcoat (see above).
So what I would suggest is, using a roller and avoiding clearcoats and metallic paints if you want the job to turn out right. Unfortunately, this thread is not about spray-on paint jobs, so not much of the info here will pertain to using that method. Not that there's anything wrong with using that method, but this thread does not really discuss it. Also, I don't think Rustoleum is formulated to be sprayed on (except for the kind that comes in a rattle can) so that's another reason not to run it through a sprayer.
Thanks for your reply. In this situation if I paint with a roller in my car park, some people can touch wet paint especially children. Also I live in UK so drying time can be long because of weather is not hot enough. Because of that I thought If I put some air fast dry hardener in a paint it drys with in minutes and I can sand and apply another coat if it is needed.
Are there any body else has got any experience with rustoleum paint in a sprayer.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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ohh I shocked really. Because as I said above I thought spray paint dry faster that roller. So If its like that I can roll it. But I have to hope not to rain. As known UK is rainy all the time. 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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I have not had to deal with rain, my problem has been the 100-105 degree temps we have in inland California during June, July, August and September.
Some other people in this thread have mentioned having their paint getting rained on while drying, and I don't recall anyone saying it ruined it, though I could see how if you had a major thunderstorm with high winds and torrential rain, that might cause problems, especially if your paint is still wet to the touch. But short of that happening, I can't really see how rain is gonna affect your paint job too much, except the humidity you get during a rain storm will probably cause drying time to take longer.
Maybe someone who has dealt with rain while painting could share their experiences, because as I said, I have not encountered that problem yet.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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regular old dawn will remove wax, grease, pretty much everything. But they do also make a special cleaner for wiping the car before you paint. Kinda pushes you over the $50 part, but if you are going to do it, why not do it right? i think it is called wax/grease remover or something like that. Pretty much any parts store will have it.
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Sawn is a great grease and wax remover, switch to a real car wash soap..
So if I use Dawn dish washing detergent to wash my truck, I'm stripping off the wax? I hope not, because I just use and ounce or so of regular dish washing detergent in a couple gallons of water to wash my truck. If it's stripping off the wax, I'll use something else.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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well my car already had undercoating on it, so I see no reason to mess with it. Bed liner would be a great option unless you want to paint under there sometime in the future. 
a car is never "done"
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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regular old dawn will remove wax, grease, pretty much everything. But they do also make a special cleaner for wiping the car before you paint. Kinda pushes you over the $50 part, but if you are going to do it, why not do it right? i think it is called wax/grease remover or something like that. Pretty much any parts store will have it.
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Dawn is a great grease and wax remover, switch to a real car wash soap..
So if I use Dawn dish washing detergent to wash my truck, I'm stripping off the wax? I hope not, because I just use and ounce or so of regular dish washing detergent in a couple gallons of water to wash my truck. If it's stripping off the wax, I'll use something else.
69dartGT is correct, do not use dawn for regular washes. It will remove the wax you have (if any anymore. ) the car wash soap is pretty cheap, probably $5 for a gallon. probably cheaper than dawn anyway.
Brew
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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regular old dawn will remove wax, grease, pretty much everything. But they do also make a special cleaner for wiping the car before you paint. Kinda pushes you over the $50 part, but if you are going to do it, why not do it right? i think it is called wax/grease remover or something like that. Pretty much any parts store will have it.
Brew
Dawn is a great grease and wax remover, switch to a real car wash soap..
So if I use Dawn dish washing detergent to wash my truck, I'm stripping off the wax? I hope not, because I just use and ounce or so of regular dish washing detergent in a couple gallons of water to wash my truck. If it's stripping off the wax, I'll use something else.
69dartGT is correct, do not use dawn for regular washes. It will remove the wax you have (if any anymore. ) the car wash soap is pretty cheap, probably $5 for a gallon. probably cheaper than dawn anyway.
Brew
The Dawn Power Dissolver foam detergent for baked on grease will also remove paint. There was a lengthy discussion on thesamba(Volkswagen forum)about using it to strip paint. It was extremely effective.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Iv'e been reading through his entire thread for the last three weeks, using it for reference as I have chosen to try this roller method. I started rolling my hood about 2 weeks ago following all the steps involved but I will describe what I have done for the experts here and hopefully you guys can lead me in the right direction.
I started with rusto pro. gloss white and thinned to the 3 second run method, I would guess my mix was about 60 paint 40 m.s. I started on top of primer, sanded smooth to the touch and no imperfections showing while wet or dry. I put two coats on sanded with 600 grit wet, repeated this process 4 times for a total of 8 coats. I then sanded with 1000, 1500, and lastly used 2000 grit sandpaper all wet. The paint looked GREAT before I sanded and thought I was on the right track, but as soon as I finished the sanding, I went to buffing/polishing and I feel I got terrible results. 1st, I have lots of scratches left over as well as discoloration throughout the entire paint. I resanded the entire hood trying to get the color variance out but I'm not having any luck. As soon as the hood looks good dry, no shiny spots, no color variance, no orange peel, I go back to buffing and this all re-appears in the paint. When I look at he paint against the light, it shows everything, if I look at it from the side, it looks wonderful (without direct light). My question is am I being too picky, should I just live with it the way it is, or have others had the same problem with the gloss white paint. I'm starting think a different color would not show the color variation that I'm getting but I just don't know. The picture attached is showing the part of the hood that I have buffed, as well as a section that has not been buffed.
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