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O K chassis guys give me some feedback please. Going to try my new back half 4-link tonight and I set it up from a computer program from Performance Trends. Give me your thoughts. Car weighs 3413 w/driver QA1 dbl adj. shocks, 14x32 slicks, 55/45 %lbs. front to rear, 117.5" wheelbase, Instant center heighth 12.5" ,instant center length 47.1" antisquat is 153.8% Four link bars are neutral ( no preload) Oh and 1* neg pinion angle. I probably missed something! Thanks for any input!!


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Re: chassis setup [Re: mr2performance] #385104
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Too high I agree. Bottom Bar I would go Bottom hole on rear and dead level to the ground to whatever hole gets you close on the forward crossmember. Top bar top hole on rear and go 2 holes down from parallel on the crossmember. That puts you at a start of Instant center length at almost exactly half of the wheelbase. With you numbers and some of my factors i come up with 544.627 pounds of transferred weight. That means that with the Front/Rear weight percent you gave, there now is 202.477 more weight shifted towards the rear during transfer.

I would also set your shocks to the softest possible for the first time out. Soft rebound (extention) and soft bump (compression). This allows you yo determine what the suspension is doing without the shocks masking it. After you get the one hit you will know what it's doing hopefully by watching some video that a friend to be determined will be doing for you. Then you can change the shocks to control or change anti-squat

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with my print out of the program how about; 60.7 instant center length and10.5" I.C. 100% antisquat This is as close as I can get on the car. top axle bracket top hole top frame bracket bottom hole. bottom axle bracket top hole and bottom frame bracket bottom hole and bottom bar is still inclined about 2 degrees

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Re: chassis setup [Re: 65dragnet] #385106
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I set mine (low hp) back half 4 link at about 42 out 6" up.

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That's what I'm talking about low horsepower ( me too)!!


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with my print out of the program how about; 60.7 instant center length and10.5" I.C. 100% antisquat This is as close as I can get on the car. top axle bracket top hole top frame bracket bottom hole. bottom axle bracket top hole and bottom frame bracket bottom hole and bottom bar is still inclined about 2 degrees



With those readings it sounds like the rear of the car sits real high??????????


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42-45 out....4.5 to 5.5 up...bottom bar parallel to the ground...shocks...4 clicks from full stiff on comp and rebound...11.5 lbs of air....1/8 turn preload on top pass side bar(shorten bar 1/8 turn)..first adjustment...air pressure...but dont go below 10 lbs...makes sure to video then watch back...see if its hitting tire too hard...then tighten compression...It will take a lot of passes to sort it all out...only make small changes then run 2-3 passes with that change until you get the hang of it....write down EVER change and resulting 60ft....keeping a log keeps you from getting lost.

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42-45 out....4.5 to 5.5 up...bottom bar parallel to the ground...shocks...4 clicks from full stiff on comp and rebound...11.5 lbs of air....1/8 turn preload on top pass side bar(shorten bar 1/8 turn)..first adjustment...air pressure...but dont go below 10 lbs...makes sure to video then watch back...see if its hitting tire too hard...then tighten compression...It will take a lot of passes to sort it all out...only make small changes then run 2-3 passes with that change until you get the hang of it....write down EVER change and resulting 60ft....keeping a log keeps you from getting lost.




thats pretty much how I set mine up

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with my print out of the program how about; 60.7 instant center length and10.5" I.C. 100% antisquat This is as close as I can get on the car. top axle bracket top hole top frame bracket bottom hole. bottom axle bracket top hole and bottom frame bracket bottom hole and bottom bar is still inclined about 2 degrees



With those readings it sounds like the rear of the car sits real high??????????


On the contrary the car is level


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I think most of my problems are that the guy that back halved my car set the chassis brackets too high in the car. I had to drop the front so much to level the car that my oil pan is about three inches from the ground and the rear is as high as I can get it. I started another post with results of the test and tune. and yes I keep a log chassis man. Thanks guys I'm still lost , it goes straight though

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with my print out of the program how about; 60.7 instant center length and10.5" I.C. 100% antisquat This is as close as I can get on the car. top axle bracket top hole top frame bracket bottom hole. bottom axle bracket top hole and bottom frame bracket bottom hole and bottom bar is still inclined about 2 degrees



With those readings it sounds like the rear of the car sits real high??????????


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Re: chassis setup [Re: 65dragnet] #385114
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Is the bottom bar at least level with the ground, or is it running up hill?

Reason I asked is my car has the chassis brackets too high IMO and to get the correct ride height I had to raise the back via the shock mounts.

This made the bottom bar piont upwards and I had to raise the back of it on the rear up 1 hole to make it level.

Hated to do it, but had no choice.....


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Is the bottom bar at least level with the ground, or is it running up hill?

Reason I asked is my car has the chassis brackets too high IMO and to get the correct ride height I had to raise the back via the shock mounts.


The bottom bar is running uphill about 2 degrees , I'm maxed out on shock brackets so I can't raise the car any higher and I'm in the top hole on axle and bottom hole on frame

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