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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: DakFink] #383401
07/23/09 12:04 AM
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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: Ari440] #383402
07/23/09 12:52 AM
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That is nothing.

I took a socket back to Sears for replacement. I was told 10-14 days. OK

Month went by. No socket.

Stopped in. Was told it was superceeded by a new part number. Well OK, why didn't you send the new one out?

I got no call, no letter, nothing. Again, instead of handing me one off the damn shelf, they ordered it. It took 3 weeks but I finally got the socket yesterday.

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: SomeCarGuy] #383403
07/23/09 11:31 AM
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Yes, the OP issue is the apparent disconnect at the company and the lack of communication.

A lesson for all companies here, the customer thinks of your business as a single entity, not as a bunch of people with compartmentalized tasks that are too busy to do anything but their own tasks and have no understanding of the entire process. That is what causes the shipping area to send out an email saying the unit is coming back, and the repair department to send out another (later) email explaining the results. Sure we all know that the company isn't one person, but we also know that a good company doesn't run like the government.

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: RedRam] #383404
07/23/09 11:34 AM
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I have always had my stuff repaired at the MSD trailer at the track while I stand there and watched. Lot's of times there was no bill. There alright in my book. They also shared lot's of tech info to keep the problem from reacurring.

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: Challenger 1] #383405
07/23/09 12:38 PM
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I have a dig 6 box i just sent back to MSD

Could not get it to work in my car without breaking up

Put my 6al back in runs fine

Called tech it's not to hard to hook these boxes up.
guy talked to me like I just stepped here from bedrock

Sent it back they found no problem with it.

So I have a dig 6 box that just came back from MSD if you are interested

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: RedRam] #383406
07/23/09 12:47 PM
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Two comments:
1. Yes, it would have been helpful if their e-mail would have informed you the unit was not repairable. I, too, would have been irked at the same situation.

2. IIRC there have been a number of postings over the years w/ people having problems w/ MSD's Digital 6 boxes. Sounds like they took a step backwards in some way going from the old 6A series to the digital version. Not sure if the Digital 7 units have had similar problems, though.

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: Voluster] #383407
07/23/09 12:48 PM
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I'd be pissed too redram, they should have notified you it was unrepairable... of course as a racer always having a spare is necessity!

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Called tech it's not to hard to hook these boxes up.
guy talked to me like I just stepped here from bedrock




same thing here. Installed programmable digital 7 and my pc would not interface with it. The guy on the tech line was not only rude but knew less then me. He said "my 4 year old pc was too new!!" as MSD is still using outdated 9pin serial port for hookup...

Fortunately we can call on racers in times like those!!

I will say Kudos to their contingency dept.! IHRA dropped the ball on my TS win and MSD stepped up and paid the $300 claim 3 months later!

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: RedRam] #383408
07/24/09 01:02 PM
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Little disappointed needing to vent.
Sent my digital 6 back to msd because of an intermitant spark problem.
Unit would work fine and then shut off like it had been turned off, problem became more frequent.
Got an RMA # from them and off it went, cost to fix would be $26-$96 (IIRC).
Few days later(7-16-09) got an email saying it was on it's way back
I am a happy camper, it will be back in time 4 SomerNites Cruise in Somerset, KY this Saturday.
Got it today with a letter saying
"your unit is economically unrepairable and cannot be repaired due to the severity of damage, or the availability of certain components"....
interesting, can't be too severe because it works most of the time and they knew what type it was from the RMA request form I had to fill out.
They were kind enough to include a "limited repair waranty" form to use if their repair didn't work and I need to send it back.
Would have been nice for them to include in the email a message that said the unit was not repairable etc... instead of making me think my fixed unit was on it's way back.
Coupon towards a new unit would of been sweet, guess I am really dreaming now.
oh well, thanks for listening.




Oh crap, I sent mine in on 7/14, went through the same steps as you, and I got an email yesterday that it is on the way back.

Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: mike67net] #383409
07/24/09 01:51 PM
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Little disappointed needing to vent.
Sent my digital 6 back to msd because of an intermitant spark problem.
Unit would work fine and then shut off like it had been turned off, problem became more frequent.
Got an RMA # from them and off it went, cost to fix would be $26-$96 (IIRC).
Few days later(7-16-09) got an email saying it was on it's way back
I am a happy camper, it will be back in time 4 SomerNites Cruise in Somerset, KY this Saturday.
Got it today with a letter saying
"your unit is economically unrepairable and cannot be repaired due to the severity of damage, or the availability of certain components"....
interesting, can't be too severe because it works most of the time and they knew what type it was from the RMA request form I had to fill out.
They were kind enough to include a "limited repair waranty" form to use if their repair didn't work and I need to send it back.
Would have been nice for them to include in the email a message that said the unit was not repairable etc... instead of making me think my fixed unit was on it's way back.
Coupon towards a new unit would of been sweet, guess I am really dreaming now.
oh well, thanks for listening.




Oh crap, I sent mine in on 7/14, went through the same steps as you, and I got an email yesterday that it is on the way back.



All may not be lost, I did some digging on their tech site and here is what I found.
http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9032&highlight=potted&page=3
In the early production years for the MSD Digital 6(like mine), they potted(filled with urethane) the box to keep the competition from copying their circuitry etc... while waiting for the design to be patented. IMO that is BS, mine is potted and has a patent sticker on it .
After they received their patent, they stopped potting the boxes.
So, if your your box is fairly new they can probably repair it.
Good luck! My new box came today and it is not potted.

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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: RedRam] #383410
07/24/09 03:14 PM
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Mabey the sticker on your old one says "Patent pending", that would back up what they told you.

As for there response it is probably a computer generated response and generic in nature. Not saying it is right or not but that is probably why that happened. If that is the case they need to update there computer responses.


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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: HotRodDave] #383411
07/25/09 08:29 PM
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Got the new box in and it is working fine, now it is time to get back to working on the jetting with the LM1.
Decided to pop the cover off the old box just to see what I could see, yep it is potted and has a patent sticker on it .
For inquiring minds, here is a pic of it.

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Mabey the sticker on your old one says "Patent pending", that would back up what they told you.

As for there response it is probably a computer generated response and generic in nature. Not saying it is right or not but that is probably why that happened. If that is the case they need to update there computer responses.



I would say you are correct about the comp generated reply, and I agree that they need more that one reply.

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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: Voluster] #383412
07/25/09 08:43 PM
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Quote:

I have a dig 6 box i just sent back to MSD

Could not get it to work in my car without breaking up

Put my 6al back in runs fine

Called tech it's not to hard to hook these boxes up.
guy talked to me like I just stepped here from bedrock

Sent it back they found no problem with it.

So I have a dig 6 box that just came back from MSD if you are interested




How much you asking for the msd? pm me please. thanks Mopar65


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Re: Thanks for nothing MSD [Re: mopar65] #383413
07/26/09 11:01 AM
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They suffer from not having direct customer contact. Too insulated from reality. Why any company that sells race related items, wouldn't automatically turn repaired items around with NDA or 2DA service is beyond me. We get acused of being lower than whale poop at the bottom of the sea, when a radio knob costs more than a nickle, and takes 2 days.

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