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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: B3422W5]
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07/21/09 01:04 PM
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the first 10.0 shoot out i went 4 rounds foot breakin with the 500 tree with a car that ran 10 teens last year i went to 4 out of 5 cc events and ran the 10.0 with a car that some say is not competitive and they are probally right and actually finished 9th in points and i think i only won 1 round i like the extra rounds i get for $20 and besides it is fun to do the heads up thing. if i ever get my car to run 10.0's i might actually win a round against the 8 and 9 sec cars in the class  hey eddie does my vote count since i have entered every 10.0 event at every cc event that i have ever been at and kinda wished it was a 500 tree instead of the 400 that it is now either way one of these days i'm gonna get lucky and nail that smack puppy  and you can count me in at all the 10.0 shootouts
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: Hunted Duck]
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07/21/09 02:08 PM
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The vote results will not start untill 2010 Norwalk will be .400 tree
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: B3422W5]
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07/21/09 03:22 PM
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Forgive me for wanting to see them changed, when my input several years ago on this forum was ignored(to leave it alone and keep it like it originally was) and the rules were changed by others on here to what they currently are. ..hey, if they dont get changed, they dont get changed, but from reading this post, the guys who pay the entry fees seem to like keeping everything the same except going to a 500 tree...or did i miss something???
Don,
I havn't ran it since 07 but this is my 
I spoke out back then as well and asked for the 500 tree and no electronics at all. It started out as a street car type race, they changed the rules to get the car count up which I do understand. I'm with you, a 500 tree would be better and may help the car count even more. I ran the 10.0 in 06 and 07, I had alot of fun but knew I didn't have a change to win. I Qualified #2 at Columbus and #1 at 131 but I knew at 3470lbs on S/S leafs and foot braking it was just more time runs. At the time we spoke out back then some of wise guys on here said we need to change are cars to fit the class rules if we didn't like them.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: 1Bad440]
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07/21/09 03:39 PM
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Another thing i think that changed was in qualifing, several years ago at Norwalk i had one time trial in 10 flat(i honestly dont remember if all there was was one shot or if there was 2 and i had car problems. I went 9.98 on the brakes in the only qualifing shot i has, and wasnt allowed to compete because i was under 10 flat.
Now, several guys that i know of had both passes well under 10 flat and they still raced at 131...i have no problem with that, just wish stuff would remain a constant, and not change.
Anyhow, i have said my piece, i think it should be run on a 500 tree if you are going to let any door car run and allow delay boxes.
Having it any other way(in other words like it is now)is frankly a joke, and if my opinion rubs somebody the wrong way, it is what it is, and i am sorry for that.
But racing a 2400 pound chassis car with a delay box isnt fair, no matter how you cut it....and no, i aint changing my car to be like that.
I have raced for a long time, some good luck, more often bad luck, but the classic 10 flat shootout, as the rules currently are, is the only race i have ever been in where i know in my heart of hearts i have zero chance to win, because of the huge disparity of the cars.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: 1Bad440]
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07/21/09 09:56 PM
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I spoke out back then as well and asked for the 500 tree and no electronics at all.
...never mind... [post deleted]
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: Pleaz]
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07/21/09 10:52 PM
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I dont get the .400 tree. Im sure most people on here are bracket racers, all who race with the.500 flash. I was exited about this coming to monster mopar. But being a foot braker, unless its the .500 flash, ill just save my money. But i will be sure to watch. 
Hopefully you are still excited to come to Monster Mopar. You can't enter the Ten-oh class anyway unless you are already entered in one of the main classes. (Super Pro, Pro, Street eliminator, etc.)
We have scheduled Ten-oh qualifying runs for Friday and Saturday, that's 3 or 4 extra time runs (including 1st round) for $25. Even if that's all you get out of it, you got your moneys worth.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: Pleaz]
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07/21/09 11:15 PM
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I am in on the 10.0 class at Monster Mopar. Looks like a nice addition to an already great race. I think the .500 tree will level the playing field but that won's stop me from running the class.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: Irun5snd8th]
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07/22/09 10:16 AM
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Another thing i think that changed was in qualifing, several years ago at Norwalk i had one time trial in 10 flat(i honestly dont remember if all there was was one shot or if there was 2 and i had car problems. I went 9.98 on the brakes in the only qualifing shot i has, and wasnt allowed to compete because i was under 10 flat.
Now, several guys that i know of had both passes well under 10 flat and they still raced at 131...i have no problem with that, just wish stuff would remain a constant, and not change.
Not tryin to be a pain but isn't change exactly what you are asking for?
Well...i prefer it to be like it was in the first place, no boxes and a 500 pro tree. So, IMO, it should never have been changed in the first place.
I like the 400 tree, and have raced on it a lot, but not against 2400 pound box cars, that makes it not as even handed.
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: CRT]
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07/22/09 07:12 PM
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The vote results will not start untill 2010 Norwalk will be .400 tree
So who makes the rules?  CC events or you? 
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
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07/22/09 07:20 PM
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Guys Don't get stuck on the delay box. Taking the delay box out and going to .500 pro tree makes it unfair to the lite wt faster cars.
I don't believe that at all. This would make everyone hit the light by eye and brain coordiation instead of computer.
And the big thing is it will draw lots more entries since that is what most racers are used to. And isn't that the point?
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Re: Classic events 10 flat shootout thoughts
[Re: 440Jim]
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07/22/09 07:34 PM
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Guys Don't get stuck on the delay box. Taking the delay box out and going to .500 pro tree makes it unfair to the lite wt faster cars.
I don't believe that at all. This would make everyone hit the light by eye and brain coordiation instead of computer.
And the big thing is it will draw lots more entries since that is what most racers are used to. And isn't that the point?
So, let me get this straight. We wanna make things more competitive? We wanna even the playing field right? So we now wanna change the light to make it .500 which IMO caters to allowing a greater # of cars to go .00? on the tree with no need for delay devices. Correct? If that is the case then does that not create a disadvantage to a car like mine who can in no way not go red on a .500 tree, I don't even think that a 33x10.50x15 tire on front would give me enough rollout to stay green. I ask, how is this a fair solution? A delay box would now allow me to go .00? on the tree just like every other car in the class right? So why do we still act like a bunch of schoolyard bullies. I can agree to thinking a .500 tree is acceptable if you all can stop crying that a delay box is an unfair advantage, when all the delay box does is add the rollout that your car has built into it. Oh yeah I am pretty sure that the super class racing like super rod leaves on a .400 tree so it is not that far fetched to believe that your car running 9.70-10.10 ought to be able to cut a .400 light. 
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