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A 2009 Dodge 3500 cumming truck? The wife and I are considering buying a 2010 Ram 3500 Dually, since I dont think they are out there yet just curious what everyone thinks of the 09's? The engine and trans are same in 2010 but the styling will be changed to look more like the 09 1500's. At any rate anyone out there have any experience with them?
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My Dad has an 08 3500 quad cab. I got to tow with it in April when we took his car to a track about 2 hours away. The motor, auto trans, and exhaust brake all work flawlessly together. It had no problem getting 10000ish lbs of car and trailer up to speed. I ran it WOT anytime we merged on the highway and ran 80mph most of the trip and pulled off 10mpg. It only had 1000 miles on it when we got back from the trip so I don't think its to bad. I figure after break in it will get 12 which is what my other two cummins trucks got with the same trailer. The 08 has a bigger cab and 125 more ponies though.
I think cummins already met the 2010 emisions with the current engine. I guess the next move for diesel emmisions will require them to shoot sunshine and rainbows out of the tailpipe.
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Al.. I have an 08 Mega Cab.. I'm getting rid of it. PITA 29000 mi. When it runs right it tows great.. The key word is WHEN..  I'm going to get an older one without the EGR and Cat..  Good Luck.. They are beautiful though..  Chris.. 
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Al, im a mopar guy till the end but i went with the duramax chevrolet.i did a back to back road test same day, the duramax blows it away.
allison trans. and what a truck!
the interior is also nicer.
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Well I have been a Ford truck guy forever, only had one Dodge over the years and was pretty underwhelmed with it. You guys are not giving me a warm fuzzy this time either. I agree the Chevy's are nice pieces as we maintain a fleet with them in it,as well as the new Fords. I just cant stomach the Chevy price, initial and the resale end from what I have seen around here. My curent 05 F350 is barely broken in but we are planning for the future now. We will be facing a BIG move in three years and I am at a crossroads on this deal. Maybe I can lay it out here and see what your opinions are. A little backround might help. We are facing a move in 2012, right now it looks like that move will either be to Italy or Germany. Obviously we will not be taking a 1 ton Dually to either place. So here are my options. I can keep what I have as there is nothing wrong with it. It is an 05 Powerstroke with only 60K on it, the bluebook is right at $25K now, only paid $32k for it. Willing to sell it for $22obo. Or I can keep it and sell in 2012 when we move, figure it will be worth maybe $10-12K then maybe. I can buy a new Dodge or maybe Ford now and kleep it til we return as it will be fairly new still as it is going to sit for the better part of three years. Or we can sell the one we have now in three years and go away and buy a truck upon our return. My fear of that is given what these things cost now I can only imagine what they will cost in 2015  Then again according to many phophecies we are all going to die in 2012 so maybe I should just not worry about it  Dont even get me started on what to do with the race car and the other toys, anyone want to car sit for three years  Interested to hear what you guys think....
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anyone want to car sit for three years
I call first!!!
IMO hold onto the truck you have, put the difference you would pay for the new truck in the savings tool of your choice, stocks, bonds, CD, folgers can in the back yard etc etc. The interest you can earn on that money should be a decent chunk 4 years from now.
It doesn't make much sense to me to buy a truck, and simply have it depreciate in value over 3 years with little to no usage. On top of issues that may arise from letting the truck sit, storage fees, yada yada.
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Will it be a forced move over seas?
It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose…
as long as you look good doing it!
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Dustin,Appreciate the advice, and it is a sound economic principle. Just not sure I care to spend what it will take to get a new truck in 2015. I am worried about that inflation thing, you know the huge white elephant sitting in the corner of the room no one wants to talk about. I have HUGE issues just thinking of buying anything from either Dodge or Government Motors actually. But that is a topic for another discussion. We can buy a truck at a really good price now, I am hoping we wont have this oppourtunity again anytime soon as it is being purchased, if we do through the military sales becuase my wife is deployed in Iraq still. So the price is right, and the oppourtunity is there, To be honest I am not real into buying one myself but the wife is pushing the issue to buy now. Lord knows she loves her shopping, even from a warzone, dang internet BTW thanks Mods for leaving this here. I pretty mcuh hang out here and value the opinions on this side of the board as many of these guys no me personally.
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Al, You and I are in the same boat. I put away a little over $50K in order to buy a new 2010 Crew Cab, Cummins. After seeing what has transpired with these companies, I am not plopping down that kind of loot for an unsure thing in the way of quality and support, if the truck needs to go back to the dealer. Too many questions for me to justify the expense. Soooooooo, what was my second plan you ask??  As you know what type of business I am in, I get the inside scoop on just about everything with wheels. I may be going to South Carolina to pick up the truck in the pic that I have attached for $20K. This puppy will tow the trailer and my house, if I wanted to take both of them to the track with me. Just an FYI, these can be had for a fraction of the cost of a 2010 Dodge. I must say that I really dig the new design of the Dodges, but, I still cannot justify the cost???
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Valid Points Al, and your than more than welcome. Inflation is a serious threat given the amount of money injection and the change in monetary policy to help combat the recession. Being that as it is, and with the economy still in a bit of a slump, there are deals to be had and if you can find a truck that you are happy with now, and will be happy with 5 years from now, its probably not a bad option. If light duty trucks go the way of the big trucks, with the EPA virtually crippling them with regulations, used trucks prices will remain high and people will stop upgrading every couple years and just hang onto their old proven Iron. When we bought my dads new truck at the end of 04, the 05s were already out, but had the added EGR and cats, so we opted to purchase and early 04 model, still new, but without the smog equipment. Its simply a guessing game at this point. I've got a Bachelors degree in Economics now, you can throw around all the theories you want and try to figure out what prices are going to be, but in the end they are just that, theories. Nothing is for certain especially during these times. Buy the truck Al, and keep the wife happy.
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The bad thing with the new Emmisions is I am not sure you can get away from the demons they have caused. I don't follow chevrolet at all so I don't know about them. But Ford and obviously cummins had had issues with the new smog stuff. One thing to remember though is like you said the cummins isn't changing a thing, so they have 3 years of trying to get this lined out. Ford and Chevy will be putting another filter on the exhaust side and I am sure there will be a learning curve for them.
I got a memo at work about updating the fleet now if we need to. My company ordered 6 new 09 trucks(petes 335s and KW T300s) just to have on hand if any of the operations wanted or needed new trucks. Said right from the start the 2010 cost was going to be about $5K more per truck. We currently have two 8.3L cummins powered 08 Pete 335s and they have been great.
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Supposedly fords new diesel for 2010 is going to make 750 ft lbs stock and is one he!! of a truck. My buddy works in the plant and gave me some info. Just a thought, you might look into them.
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I appreciate the input guys. We are currently getting a price work up on and F450 as well. The prices we are able to get on these trucks are very good, however not much of a benefit given the reason we are able to. We had priced a loaded 2010 Dodge diesel mega cab dually and can get it for just under $40K, have a feeling the Ford will be about $3-4K more. Chris, I like those style trucks but as you know this is also my daily driver, well at least when I am not riding the Harley. Trying to manuever that thing around the city moght be fun though We actually have a few in the fleet we maintain and they are pretty much trouble free. I also used the Isuzu NPR engines in my fleet when I ran the Deere dealership. Basically the same engine in thier 1 ton trucks only with an iron cylinder head. Dustin, WOW econ...I thought an accounting degree was boring I have to keep the wife happy, no option there.
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It is not the sales I am worried about it is the price....Look at the increase from 2000 to 2005. I had a 2001 F350, then purchased a 2005 F350. Almost identical trucks with a sticker price difference of $10K. I have seen sticker price from my 05 Ford to this 10 Dodge of almost $10K again! We wanted to do the motorhome thing but with our uncertain near future not sure that is a good choice right now for sure.
To be honest wish I had kept the 2001. While it did not have the power the new truck does I have had some minor issues with the 05 as far as fit finish and durability of some of the interior pieces. I have had to spend a few hundres dollars already replacing or repairing cosmetics on this 05, from badges to seat upholstery.
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Anything 6.7 out there built after Dec 08 has been pretty decent. ANY 6.7 truck that hasn't had the ECM updated since MARCH 09 needs to be. In my experience if the truck has been purchased to tow, and tow hard, they have been much more trouble free than those that get used like a "car".
The 68RFE trans.....six speed, manual shift feature right on the stalk. I've only talked with one guy that had a failure. Local company with 6 trucks. They tow 15-22k all the time. Broke a shaft in the trans and ruined it. Truck had 97K miles on it. The trans has been awesome...unless of course you like to make a living repairing them (glad Im not the tranny guy).
I really agree with J here.
That is the one thing that is a great feature on these trucks.
It works well with the "Jake" and is actually made here in Kokomo Indiana, Ma Mopar plant. Aison/Warner I believe..
Probably a better trans than the Allison.. 
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I really agree with J here.
That is the one thing that is a great feature on these trucks.
It works well with the "Jake" and is actually made here in Kokomo Indiana, Ma Mopar plant. Aison/Warner I believe..
Probably a better trans than the Allison..
2500/3500= 68rfe 6 speed auto trans
4500-5500= Aisen 6 speed auto trans.
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Well I have been a Ford truck guy forever, only had one Dodge over the years and was pretty underwhelmed with it. You guys are not giving me a warm fuzzy this time either. I agree the Chevy's are nice pieces as we maintain a fleet with them in it,as well as the new Fords. I just cant stomach the Chevy price, initial and the resale end from what I have seen around here.
My curent 05 F350 is barely broken in but we are planning for the future now. We will be facing a BIG move in three years and I am at a crossroads on this deal. Maybe I can lay it out here and see what your opinions are. A little backround might help. We are facing a move in 2012, right now it looks like that move will either be to Italy or Germany. Obviously we will not be taking a 1 ton Dually to either place. So here are my options. I can keep what I have as there is nothing wrong with it. It is an 05 Powerstroke with only 60K on it, the bluebook is right at $25K now, only paid $32k for it. Willing to sell it for $22obo. Or I can keep it and sell in 2012 when we move, figure it will be worth maybe $10-12K then maybe. I can buy a new Dodge or maybe Ford now and kleep it til we return as it will be fairly new still as it is going to sit for the better part of three years. Or we can sell the one we have now in three years and go away and buy a truck upon our return. My fear of that is given what these things cost now I can only imagine what they will cost in 2015 Then again according to many phophecies we are all going to die in 2012 so maybe I should just not worry about it Dont even get me started on what to do with the race car and the other toys, anyone want to car sit for three years
Interested to hear what you guys think....
Al, please take this from the heart. Live for the moment. I used to plan out years in advance. The last 5 years have seen all my plans go away, without any viable options to stop them, short of low down, dirty protect yourself first actions. I now consider next week out to be a long shot, as far as projections. Good luck on whatever you decide is best.
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Al, please take this from the heart. Live for the moment. I used to plan out years in advance.
There is some merit in those words.. no one knows what can happen tomorrow and if you want to slide into heaven sideways, sometimes you have to throw caution to the wind..
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Jeep you know me, do I strike you as someone who does not live in the moment? I see someone has seen my facebook page too  BTW how do you like your Ram? Leigh I understand what you are saying believe me. Being a vet, and married to an Active Duty Military wife, who is currently deployed in Iraq working in the operating room of a forward deployed base we know all to well how fleeting life can be. While we make plans for the future the wife and I do not look past the day right in front of us. One of the reasons we are gonna pull the trigger on this deal more than likely. We dont get caught up in worring about the future so much as to not enjoy the present. But I always keep an eye toward the horizon.
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Yes Al,
The truck is awesome buy it! Blah Blah Blah...
Now...Lets talk about where the racecar should spend those 3 years... My Buddy Darryl has an awesome 3 car garage/shop here in beautifull Phoenix, that has already served to carsit my Challenger, and a certain persons original 68 Hemi Cuda which has been dislayed all over the United States. He takes impeccable care of the vehicles left in his charge. Of course, for a small fee, I would be available to take the ole gal out and "Stretch her legs" every other weekend or so!!
Whatcha think?? Not gonna get an offer like that every day!!
On a serious note...What about your son? He has to be at the age where some of the decision to go with his parents, or stay in the states will rest with him??
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I bought a 2009 2500 series 6.7 litre CUMMINS DIESEL about a month ago.. It was 4500.00 off PLUS 1500.00 customer loyalty,, OR 1500.00 customer loyalty and 0.0% financing... FINANCING A $52,000.00 truck (47,000.00 financing) with 0.0% was an AWSOME DEAL... As far as the way the truck runs,,,, ABSOLUTELY AWSOME!!!! it pulls my racecar trailer like there was NOTHING hooked to it.. I used to have a hemi (2004) durango with a special ordered 3.92 differentials and it was HORRIBLE trying to pull that trailer!! I am taking it down south for a week,, I'll let you know if anything gives trouble.. Other than trying to BUCK YOU out of the seat when you hit a CHICAGO POTHOLE,, the truck is GREAT!!!
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Looks like we are leaning more and more towards making the deal. Not sure if anyone has seen the new 2010 Mega Cab dually but here it is. It has kind of a Tonka Toy look to it, just needs bigger wheels and tires. What do you think?
I have had 0 issues with mine and it is a 6.7 but I drive the piss out of it.Trust me when I say it gets driven like it was in a heist  . I also am waiting for them to come out so I can trade mine in for a 2010 dually.
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Well I think just under $40K($39.2K to be exact) for a loaded 2010 Mega cab Cummins/auto Dually is a fair price. Heck they do not even have the 2010 exact pricing yet but pricing a similar 09 truck with the same equipment is right at $50K. Our price is GUARENTEED to not be more, if by chance it ended up less we get the difference back.
We have never bought anything on the "military" plan and frankly will be happy not to do it again as it requires my wife to be deployed. Just see an oppourtunity and am considering it. I dont get to talk to my wife much over the phone so we will discuss the "need" next time we talk. We spoke last week about seeing what kind of deal we can get and have not talked since.
As for whether we do it or not who knows. We stillhave a month before she will be headed home after what will be 7 months in country. I appreciate the advice and experiences from here and have taken all of them under advisement. Heck who knows with me. If we do buy it there is an excellent chance we will sell it in three years anyway, seems to be the way we do it. you dont even want to know how many new cars the wife has bought over the last three years. Lets see, Mustang, Honda, Benz, bigger Benz blah blah blah....
hey Billy I appreciate the offer for storage. Seems to be a job a few guys want. Not even sure I will keep the car if we move. might be a great time to sell it and have something REALLY nice and REALLY light built for me. As for the boy, he is in college now and has no plans to follow us to Europe IF we go. The youngest will have been out of High School a year in 2012 and she is up in the air about the deal right now. We dont really have much control over what happens, it is simply our wish to go to Europe but the Air Force has a way of sending us places we dont necessarily want to go, like here. A lot of ducks must be in a row to make it happen, but right now the stars look as if they might be aligned well for us now. I am looking forward to the oppourtunity to live in Europe and see what it has to offer, will definitely miss the racing if it happens but cant see worrying about that with all the great oppourtunities the move will have.
Hey Don you gonna be racing this weekend with us at Infineon?
I will let you guys now what we finally decide. Will probably make up our minds in the nest week or so. Thanks again for the help.
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