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High rpm misfire #360810
06/28/09 06:47 PM
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Has anyone had an issue with a 7al 2 not working properly. Done all the normal checks that msd recommends but still have a problem. I changed the chip, check grounds,replace pick up wires with shielded cable, ohmed plug wires. Msd says boxes usually work or don't work. Has anyone experienced an issue with them?
Thanks

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mac56] #360811
06/28/09 07:04 PM
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Have you tryed some Spark gard (dielectric grees) on the coil wires, dist cap boots and plug boots. Allso a shielded wire from the Dist to the box


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Re: High rpm misfire [Re: wildcargo] #360812
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Got a new shielded cable for pick up leads. Everything that can be checked has been I believe. The only thing I can't check is the box.

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mac56] #360813
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Has anyone had an issue with a 7al 2 not working properly. Done all the normal checks that msd recommends but still have a problem. I changed the chip, check grounds,replace pick up wires with shielded cable, ohmed plug wires. Msd says boxes usually work or don't work. Has anyone experienced an issue with them?
Thanks




I had my 7AL 2 do exactly that... mine missed(not
real bad but it was missing), like you I checked
EVERYTHING... I also did a A-B-A test with my back
up box and the first box had a problem... I sent it
to them and got it back and they said it was fine.
I again checked the box and found it to be fine
but I know it had a issue before. Mine missed about
7000 rpm

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: MR_P_BODY] #360814
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Friends 6al would miss last year but if we pulled the RPM chip and ran it chip less it would not miss??

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: Dodgem] #360815
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I tried changing the chip but not running without it. It doesn't matter what track or how much traction I have it only revs 6200 with 7200 chip.Thanks your your input also Mr P.

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mac56] #360816
06/29/09 06:31 AM
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How much plug gap are you running?

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: 572stealth] #360817
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Same problem, but only at the 1-2 shift at 5800-6300 rpm with a 7400 rpm chip. It does it randomly; 2-3 rounds are fine, then it feels like it's on the chip for just a moment (enough to kill 0.03 ET). A/F mixture is good, plug gap is 0.045", new Fire Wires, checked grounds; haven't figured out the reason. Would like to try a new box, but don't feel like shelling out $500 for a new one if that's not the problem. I will be interested in hearing what you find.



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Re: High rpm misfire [Re: Dads426] #360818
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i had the same problem with a digital 6 box. it would sound like it was into the limiter at 6300 when i had it set for 7000. shielded pick up lead helped some, but what really made a difference was moving the box inside the car. under the hood they pick up way too much RFI noise.

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mopar dave] #360819
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Our's is already in the car. I will look at shielding the pickup leads. What did you use? A braided cover over the wires?



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Re: High rpm misfire [Re: Dads426] #360820
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my msd is kinda picky on input voltage , works good at 12.5 sucks at 12.3

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: emarine01] #360821
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Well, I have been trying to figure out why my car misses at the finish line from 66-6900 RPM.

7AL2, Pro power coil, MSD wires, pro billet distributor

I pulled the cap and wires to check resistance Saturday night and I couldn't make ANY connection with the multi meter through the brass terminals in the cap, and brass tab on the rotor?!?!

They were not corroded, just had a dull looking brass color to them. I cleaned them of with emery cloth and bingo, great connection....

I will find out Friday night if thats what my problem has been....


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Re: High rpm misfire [Re: emarine01] #360822
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my msd is kinda picky on input voltage , works good at 12.5 sucks at 12.3




I suspect the alternator. It's one of those GM one-wire jobs and doesn't pick up the voltage until the rpms come up. MSD says the 7AL works at 12.0 volts, but that is at the box, so as rpm increases, so does the current draw and voltage drop in the wiring to the box will increase. I like the setup we had on the 64 Ply with the Chrysler alt and race regulator. It was cooking all the time.

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: Dads426] #360823
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I think I am going to buy another box. If it ends up not being it I guess I will have a spare. I have done all the other recommendations.

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mac56] #360824
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I think I am going to buy another box. If it ends up not being it I guess I will have a spare. I have done all the other recommendations.




Where do you live up there?

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: MR_P_BODY] #360825
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I think I am going to buy another box. If it ends up not being it I guess I will have a spare. I have done all the other recommendations.




Where do you live up there?




I live in London Mr. P

Re: High rpm misfire [Re: mac56] #360826
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I think I am going to buy another box. If it ends up not being it I guess I will have a spare. I have done all the other recommendations.




Where do you live up there?




I live in London Mr. P




If you want to pay the shipping I can send you my
spare to try

Re: High rpm misfire (update) [Re: MR_P_BODY] #360827
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I think I am going to buy another box. If it ends up not being it I guess I will have a spare. I have done all the other recommendations.




Where do you live up there?




I live in London Mr. P




If you want to pay the shipping I can send you my
spare to try




Pm sent
Well I pulled on the weekend and the engine ran great. No miss firing. This was due to the generosity of Mr.P.Body. He loaned me his spare 7al and even drove to Port Huron to meet me. I can't thank him enough for the kindness he has shown a follow moparts member. Now to get mine fixed or a replacement.

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Re: High rpm misfire (update) [Re: mac56] #360828
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Re: High rpm misfire (update) [Re: mac56] #360829
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Well, I just had a high RPM misfire I pulled my hair out with for a month and a half.....

Yesterday I swapped out my 7AL2 box with a 6AL and the misfire went away......





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