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Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP #353546
06/21/09 01:46 PM
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I had a stroker engine 400/452 rebuilt again because the thrust bearing went bad. It was allign bored again and when I brought it back from the engine shop I started to assemble the engine and the timing chain is way too loose on this engine. If you make one side of the chain tight and put a straight edge on the opposet side and measure the amount of slop at the highest point is a little over a 1/4 inch!
Do one of the timing chain companies have a shorter chain or larger gears to fix this problem?

Please reply if you know how to fix this problem.
Thank you!
glr7069@ptd.net

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: GLR] #353547
06/21/09 01:52 PM
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Undersized chains are avalible from most chain suppliers

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: GLR] #353548
06/21/09 01:53 PM
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you can buy a tensioner for it IIRC from one of the racing companies dan

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: ph23vo] #353549
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Quote:

you can buy a tensioner for it IIRC from one of the racing companies dan




Tensioner kit is for smallblocks... To bad cause it's a good option...

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: GLR] #353550
06/21/09 02:04 PM
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Cloyes 9-3104 (std.) 9-3104-005 (5 under) or 9-3104-010 (10 under) single bolt. I don't have my 3 bolt set at home so I'm unable to give you that pn., but if you use the appropriate 3 digit suffix on it you will get the same results.

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Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: GLR] #353551
06/21/09 02:19 PM
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You could use an undersized chain, and hope that solves your problen,...if you have a 3 bolt cam, you could run a dual idler gear drive, bolt in, the gear lash/gap is determined by offset bushings,....Jegs has them for a $275-$300 .....BB Mopar PN# 20360 or 20361, quiet/noisey......Jegs 1 800 345 4545 or Jegs.com

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: DAYCLONA] #353552
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Use a chain set of the correct undersize.The dual idler gear drives have a reputation for poor reliability.

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: solidcam] #353553
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Thanks everyone for all of your suguestions. I think I will see about a smaller chain, sounds like a good idea and I am sure is cheeper than getting another type of timing set.
What is the best way to figure out what size chain I will need?

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: GLR] #353554
06/21/09 04:54 PM
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Bought a cheapo Cloyes (stock replacement) that was too loose on a stock unrebuilt engine, just preventative maintenance in replacing the chain at 100k miles on a 318. Sent it back and got a quality set, Edelbrock in this case, fit nicely.

Might be the kit is loose, but since you've had a line bore or two done, might need a undersized chain. Anyone know how to measure and tell for sure?


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Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HELP [Re: Supercuda] #353555
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Yea...that is my question now...how to measure so i can ask for the right size chain.

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: Supercuda] #353556
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Quote:

Bought a cheapo Cloyes (stock replacement) that was too loose on a stock unrebuilt engine, just preventative maintenance in replacing the chain at 100k miles on a 318. Sent it back and got a quality set, Edelbrock in this case, fit nicely.

Might be the kit is loose, but since you've had a line bore or two done, might need a undersized chain. Anyone know how to measure and tell for sure?


I bought a billet tc for my an and had the same amount of slack. For skits & grins I threw an older used cloyes true roller on it and it was tight. I'm running that chain and returned the billet one. Too bad too cause it was a great looking piece.

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: aarcuda] #353557
06/21/09 08:38 PM
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Well, I hope I can get a chain that will fit and take care of this problem.

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: GLR] #353558
06/22/09 01:09 PM
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Before I used the Rottler, I stacked up Jo blocks between cam and crank and just did the math to find out what size chain to get. Now with the Rottler, I measure what size chain is needed before the block gets pulled off the machine. Super quick and easy.

Re: Timing Chain too loose on new-rebuild stroker ..HEL [Re: Kelob_pie] #353559
06/22/09 08:28 PM
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Wait, let me pull the Rottler out of my pocket... oh wait.

Jo Blocks are a good idea, much cheaper than a Rottler, but not cheap. Maybe a center to center measurement with a dial caliper?


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