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Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice #349691
06/17/09 02:13 AM
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A friend is getting ready to run his fresh 422 (4.00" stroked) 340 on the Dyno. It's got ported W2 econo heads that flow 275 at .550, 295 at .600, pump gas compression (9.60 comp or so) a single plane single 4 cast W2 intake, and a stout (550 ish) hyd. cam. He's got 3 carbs to choose from, a newer rebuilt Holley 4781-5, a freshly rebuilt (stock) 1972 340 Thermoquad, and a new Thunder Series 800 Edlebrock AVS. He plans to run all 3 on the dyno to see the HP differences between them. His planned use is for street with a little strip action. Car is a 340 4 Speed Duster with 3.91 gears. Any guesses on:

Which carb will produce the most HP?
Which carb will have the smoothest power curve?
How much HP difference will there be from one to the next with no jet changing or special tuning?
Which carb will be the most streetable (somewhat subjective I know)?

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349692
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Easy choice , 850 double pumper

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: Dartcuda] #349693
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Easy choice , 850 double pumper



Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349694
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Mostly street action = AVS thunder
Mostly race and most HP = Holley DP

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: 408strokerdart] #349695
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I want to know how this turns out.

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: rt66jim] #349696
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Good post, I put the big bucks on the holley< but what the hell do I know anyway> Should be cool to see the results

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349697
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Of those choices... the 850dp... even the 850 wont
produce the max HP on the dyno... it could use a 1050

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349698
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A friend is getting ready to run his fresh 422 (4.00" stroked) 340 on the Dyno. It's got ported W2 econo heads that flow 275 at .550, 295 at .600, pump gas compression (9.60 comp or so) a single plane single 4 cast W2 intake, and a stout (550 ish) hyd. cam. He's got 3 carbs to choose from, a newer rebuilt Holley 4781-5, a freshly rebuilt (stock) 1972 340 Thermoquad, and a new Thunder Series 800 Edlebrock AVS. He plans to run all 3 on the dyno to see the HP differences between them. His planned use is for street with a little strip action. Car is a 340 4 Speed Duster with 3.91 gears. Any guesses on:

Which carb will produce the most HP?
Which carb will have the smoothest power curve?
How much HP difference will there be from one to the next with no jet changing or special tuning?
Which carb will be the most streetable (somewhat subjective I know)?




After you decide what carb your going to use after running the three. Which my vote goes to the 850
as long as you have it jetted right. I bet your best gain will be putting a 2 inch super sucker carb spacer on it, than between carbs. Entry into the intake at the 4 corners of the spacer are important here. Transition,transition. Are they going to advance the cam 2 degerees or straight up ? Sacrifice the top end for the low end torque by advancing the cam. He's running 3.91 gears so he can take more advantage of it during his strip use. I like those 2 figures.

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Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: MLR426] #349699
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Concerning spacers, he's concerned about hood clearance, also hoping to run a stock air cleaner but not the end of the world if he can't. The Holley came with a spacer and the intake, it seems like the natural choice to me as well (4 corner adjusters, etc. pretty nice carb) but again, he's targeting a look closer to stock so it's not at the top of the list right now, actually leaning toward the TQ for use regardless of what the dyno shows. I'm not sure on the cam setup either but top end will likely be the goal since street traction will be wishful thinking at best no matter what. I'll post the numbers when he has it done.

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: MR_P_BODY] #349700
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Of those choices... the 850dp... even the 850 wont
produce the max HP on the dyno... it could use a 1050





Maybe with a bigger cam and more comp. a 1050
would make the max HP. The cam isn't all that
big, just a hyd. and only 9.6 comp I think the
850DP will be plenty big, if it's not junk.

Some one go borrow him a 1050 Dom and let's
find out!


Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!
Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: BDS871Cuda] #349701
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If someone would like to loan a bigger carb that door is open, the 850 is nice, I will go all the way through it just to be sure and will record the PV, jets, etc. as well

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349702
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Concerning spacers, he's concerned about hood clearance, also hoping to run a stock air cleaner but not the end of the world if he can't. The Holley came with a spacer and the intake, it seems like the natural choice to me as well (4 corner adjusters, etc. pretty nice carb) but again, he's targeting a look closer to stock so it's not at the top of the list right now, actually leaning toward the TQ for use regardless of what the dyno shows. I'm not sure on the cam setup either but top end will likely be the goal since street traction will be wishful thinking at best no matter what. I'll post the numbers when he has it done.




Street traction was going to be an issue regardless with 3.91 gear, so he needs to look at the benefits of running it at the track and using soft compound DOT tires on the street and at the track. That's my 2 cents now I'll rub them together.

logan426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: MLR426] #349703
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He will be running a DOT (barely) legal street slick on a stock Rallye wheel.

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349704
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He will be running a DOT (barely) legal street slick on a stock Rallye wheel.




I assume he is maxing the rim width and tire size.
You must be talking the ones with 2 lines in the
center of the tire. Your correct barely street legal but
they hook like a bear. My bubby has a
500 inch stroker in a 70 dart street car that
has a chassis set up for highway hooking and those
tires work great.

logan426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: MLR426] #349705
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You must be talking the ones with 2 lines in the
center of the tire




Yes, stock width 14.00" Rallye rims

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #349706
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Tell Stew to scrounge up a 950HP carb and dyno that carb against all those others...it will make at least 12-15HP more and probably 18-20 more.
Jet it 78-78 with PV's or 86-86 without.


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Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: Brian Hafliger] #349707
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a demon sizzler prepped big t-quad would be interesting to see on the motor.

mostly street use, limited strip use, I'd probably vote for one of the carters, ideally a large tquad.


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Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: patrick] #349708
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what do you think the jetting would look like if he were to use a 850dp?

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: mopar dave] #349709
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what do you think the jetting would look like if he were to use a 850dp?




J/K...

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice [Re: Brian Hafliger] #349710
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Yea Brian, probably right though! LOL! He'sgoing to try it with whatevers in the carb now (out of the box jetting) and see where it goes, I'm not sure what altitude he'll be at with the dyno run, nor do I know the cam specs. Pure speculation at this point.

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