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Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 06:13 AM

A friend is getting ready to run his fresh 422 (4.00" stroked) 340 on the Dyno. It's got ported W2 econo heads that flow 275 at .550, 295 at .600, pump gas compression (9.60 comp or so) a single plane single 4 cast W2 intake, and a stout (550 ish) hyd. cam. He's got 3 carbs to choose from, a newer rebuilt Holley 4781-5, a freshly rebuilt (stock) 1972 340 Thermoquad, and a new Thunder Series 800 Edlebrock AVS. He plans to run all 3 on the dyno to see the HP differences between them. His planned use is for street with a little strip action. Car is a 340 4 Speed Duster with 3.91 gears. Any guesses on:

Which carb will produce the most HP?
Which carb will have the smoothest power curve?
How much HP difference will there be from one to the next with no jet changing or special tuning?
Which carb will be the most streetable (somewhat subjective I know)?
Posted By: Dartcuda

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 02:24 PM

Easy choice , 850 double pumper
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 04:08 PM

Quote:

Easy choice , 850 double pumper


Posted By: 408strokerdart

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 04:10 PM

Mostly street action = AVS thunder
Mostly race and most HP = Holley DP
Posted By: rt66jim

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 04:46 PM

I want to know how this turns out.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:01 PM

Good post, I put the big bucks on the holley< but what the hell do I know anyway> Should be cool to see the results
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:05 PM

Of those choices... the 850dp... even the 850 wont
produce the max HP on the dyno... it could use a 1050
Posted By: MLR426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:37 PM

Quote:

A friend is getting ready to run his fresh 422 (4.00" stroked) 340 on the Dyno. It's got ported W2 econo heads that flow 275 at .550, 295 at .600, pump gas compression (9.60 comp or so) a single plane single 4 cast W2 intake, and a stout (550 ish) hyd. cam. He's got 3 carbs to choose from, a newer rebuilt Holley 4781-5, a freshly rebuilt (stock) 1972 340 Thermoquad, and a new Thunder Series 800 Edlebrock AVS. He plans to run all 3 on the dyno to see the HP differences between them. His planned use is for street with a little strip action. Car is a 340 4 Speed Duster with 3.91 gears. Any guesses on:

Which carb will produce the most HP?
Which carb will have the smoothest power curve?
How much HP difference will there be from one to the next with no jet changing or special tuning?
Which carb will be the most streetable (somewhat subjective I know)?




After you decide what carb your going to use after running the three. Which my vote goes to the 850
as long as you have it jetted right. I bet your best gain will be putting a 2 inch super sucker carb spacer on it, than between carbs. Entry into the intake at the 4 corners of the spacer are important here. Transition,transition. Are they going to advance the cam 2 degerees or straight up ? Sacrifice the top end for the low end torque by advancing the cam. He's running 3.91 gears so he can take more advantage of it during his strip use. I like those 2 figures.

logan426
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:41 PM

Concerning spacers, he's concerned about hood clearance, also hoping to run a stock air cleaner but not the end of the world if he can't. The Holley came with a spacer and the intake, it seems like the natural choice to me as well (4 corner adjusters, etc. pretty nice carb) but again, he's targeting a look closer to stock so it's not at the top of the list right now, actually leaning toward the TQ for use regardless of what the dyno shows. I'm not sure on the cam setup either but top end will likely be the goal since street traction will be wishful thinking at best no matter what. I'll post the numbers when he has it done.
Posted By: BDS871Cuda

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:47 PM

Quote:

Of those choices... the 850dp... even the 850 wont
produce the max HP on the dyno... it could use a 1050





Maybe with a bigger cam and more comp. a 1050
would make the max HP. The cam isn't all that
big, just a hyd. and only 9.6 comp I think the
850DP will be plenty big, if it's not junk.

Some one go borrow him a 1050 Dom and let's
find out!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:52 PM

If someone would like to loan a bigger carb that door is open, the 850 is nice, I will go all the way through it just to be sure and will record the PV, jets, etc. as well
Posted By: MLR426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:52 PM

Quote:

Concerning spacers, he's concerned about hood clearance, also hoping to run a stock air cleaner but not the end of the world if he can't. The Holley came with a spacer and the intake, it seems like the natural choice to me as well (4 corner adjusters, etc. pretty nice carb) but again, he's targeting a look closer to stock so it's not at the top of the list right now, actually leaning toward the TQ for use regardless of what the dyno shows. I'm not sure on the cam setup either but top end will likely be the goal since street traction will be wishful thinking at best no matter what. I'll post the numbers when he has it done.




Street traction was going to be an issue regardless with 3.91 gear, so he needs to look at the benefits of running it at the track and using soft compound DOT tires on the street and at the track. That's my 2 cents now I'll rub them together.

logan426
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 05:54 PM

He will be running a DOT (barely) legal street slick on a stock Rallye wheel.
Posted By: MLR426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 06:03 PM

Quote:

He will be running a DOT (barely) legal street slick on a stock Rallye wheel.




I assume he is maxing the rim width and tire size.
You must be talking the ones with 2 lines in the
center of the tire. Your correct barely street legal but
they hook like a bear. My bubby has a
500 inch stroker in a 70 dart street car that
has a chassis set up for highway hooking and those
tires work great.

logan426
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 06:27 PM

Quote:

You must be talking the ones with 2 lines in the
center of the tire




Yes, stock width 14.00" Rallye rims
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 06:48 PM

Tell Stew to scrounge up a 950HP carb and dyno that carb against all those others...it will make at least 12-15HP more and probably 18-20 more.
Jet it 78-78 with PV's or 86-86 without.
Posted By: patrick

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 07:51 PM

a demon sizzler prepped big t-quad would be interesting to see on the motor.

mostly street use, limited strip use, I'd probably vote for one of the carters, ideally a large tquad.
Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 07:56 PM

what do you think the jetting would look like if he were to use a 850dp?
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 08:39 PM

Quote:

what do you think the jetting would look like if he were to use a 850dp?




J/K...
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 09:40 PM

Yea Brian, probably right though! LOL! He'sgoing to try it with whatevers in the carb now (out of the box jetting) and see where it goes, I'm not sure what altitude he'll be at with the dyno run, nor do I know the cam specs. Pure speculation at this point.
Posted By: Neil

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/17/09 09:57 PM

I think the factory 70-71 340 air cleaner should fit under the hood as long as the spacer/insulator gasket is kept on the thin side.
Posted By: PUNK

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 03:16 AM

In my opinion, I think the only way to go is a 950HP Holley. I have been told by many carb builders NOT to use a true 850. They explained the reasoning but I cant remember. I guess the 850 is kindof a combination of a 750 and a 950 that generates a weakersignal to the boosters or something. Like I said I dont remember. I would NEVER put a AVS or AFB on that kind of engine. Leave those carbs to daily drivers or classes that REQUIRE their use. Go 950HP, you wont regret. I use PC Carbs in Ontario California. They have built me around 20 carbs in the last 2 years and every one of them runs flawless on the Dyno.

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Posted By: 72demon416

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 05:01 AM

IMO if he's thinking about trying to keep a stock look going on he should be doing a demonsizzler prepped thermoquad. Yea the final dyno numbers may be a little down but if max power was what he was after he likely would have chosen different engine components to start with. Nothing in that combo screams "max effort" just a basic, solid, stout performer.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 05:11 AM

I have a 71 TQ modified by DS and a stone stock 1972 TQ I built, I can try it to see if there's any gain over a stock build, you never know.
Posted By: 72demon416

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 05:23 AM

Hey- I guess if you got one you've got nothing to lose trying it out
Posted By: Stroker Scamp

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 05:53 AM

950 HP on my combo FWIW

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Posted By: Cuda340

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 06:33 PM

Quick Fuel 950 on my street combo too...
Posted By: moper

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/18/09 10:48 PM

I start with 870 Avengers.. that's bigger than that 850. I agree with above... go with a 950 and you'll be surprised at how nice it runs.
Posted By: MLR426

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 06/19/09 02:34 AM

This animal on the dyno yet ?? Let's see the numbers.

logan426
Posted By: Chargervic

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/12/09 06:12 AM

The cam is a Comp 275 Hydraulic with .525 lift. , installed @ 110º C/L. Compression is 9.2. Ross pistons, Eagle crank & rods. This is a STREET engine by design. Traction will be the limiting factor, so drivability is more of an issue than max HP.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 03:03 AM

Here's "Master Vic" putting the final touches on the build.

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 03:07 AM

Here's the engine after Stew & I hosed it down with orange paint. It's obviously not a perfect "resto" engine so there were some detail liberties taken. The goal is for it to be a bit of a sleeper. BTW, headers are ceramic coated TTI's. It's ready for the dyno, hopefully Vic & Stew can drag it down there this week



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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 05:27 AM

Here's the custome windage tray we cobbled together. I used an abrasive disc to chop away about an inch of the sides and the centers for rod clearance, then we had Kieth at K&S Machine in Kelowna BC weld in the screens, fit like a glove and looked nifty to boot!

Here it is after the first rough cuts were made.

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 05:28 AM

Here it is finished and installed

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Posted By: 9 Sec Phill

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 01:18 PM

We tried 3 carbs on my old 416, 850 demon, 850 annular and a 950 HP. On the dyno there wasnt one HP differance between them. After it was in the car i tried a Dom, It slowed it down, alot. Jetted up and down with not much improvment. The 950 had better throttle responce with the smaller primaries but didnt make the power the BG 850 did......Phill
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/13/09 02:16 PM

Quick Fuel 850..
Posted By: Rug_Trucker

Re: Opinions on a 422 SB Carb Choice - 07/15/09 06:54 PM

This is going to be goooooood!
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